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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Women’s Enterprise Scotland has said that engagement with women’s businesses is not what it should be, and that the bill does not do anything to address that. What is the minister’s response to that, and what can he foresee as being a solution in the bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

On the engagement that the minister says he has had, SFC staff who are Unite the Union members said that staff were told what would happen without being part of the conversation, PCS said that the reform programme is happening to staff and not with them, and Unison said that the bill has placed its members in a state of limbo. Finally, PCS said that the bill is not the solution to the current state of skills delivery in Scotland.

Does the minister accept that there has been a failure by the Government to take staff with it on this journey and, as a result, that might be some of the reason why the committee has heard that the problems that exist will not necessarily be resolved by the bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

How will the new model reduce bureaucracy and untie your hands?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

The colleges might have concerns about planning for the transition and then being able to engage in some of the collaborative activity that the minister might have seen on his visit yesterday or discussed with them, because some of that might have a cost attached to it. I want to identify that each college might need to consider that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I do not think that anyone has put it to us that bureaucratic structural change is necessary in order to address what does not work well.

I can see that Mr Mott is looking to come in—I will just finish my point. One of the concerns that we have heard about the move is that SDS has stronger links with business and industry than the Scottish Funding Council. The minister spoke about the need for a connection between careers advice in schools, national skills planning and apprenticeships. That will all be dismantled if we take one part of the SDS product and put it elsewhere.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Other issues have dominated the past year or so in addition to institutions’ concerns about funding. There have also been concerns around governance, practice and fair work. Could any changes be made through the bill to strengthen the role of providers in the skills delivery landscape, including colleges and universities, around fair work and accountability for it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. Other members will unpick that point further.

Mary Senior, did you want to come in?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

If it is all right, convener, I will put my questions on SAAB to Paul Campbell and then move on to my questions about equalities. Does that work?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

That is a good point that the committee will reflect on. It could be helpful for us to look at some of the suggestions that come out of that inquiry to see whether we need to do anything with the bill.

Nicola Jackson, do you have a view?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Tertiary Education and Training (Funding and Governance) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you for throwing me that line, Mr Davenport—that was helpful. Another explanation is that I might have paraphrased part of your submission. I was interested in unpicking the part of it where you say:

“Integration has been key to that success, and breaking up SDS is a threat to it.”

You alluded to that earlier. You go on to say:

“If the goal is greater efficiency, it must be understood that breaking off part of SDS, while potentially streamlining one element of funding, will introduce far greater inefficiencies elsewhere.”

That is the part of your submission, which I described as the existence of a vacuum, that I wanted to unpick.