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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 26 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

The Promise is, of course, a cross-Government commitment, and we have heard this morning about the discussions on the proposed bill at Cabinet. What discussion has the minister had with the education secretary on the issue of exclusions and care-experienced young people in education? When did she last discuss it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Okay—thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

But a bill has been coming for an awful long time—it predates your own ministerial role, and several people before you—and yet educational outcomes for care-experienced young people are still not the same as the outcomes for young people who have not lived with care experience. Their destinations are not the same, and they are still struggling to get housing support, throughcare and aftercare support, and, indeed, lifelong support.

We are still here today with no date for the bill to be published, and with legitimate and serious concerns that the committee could now face a very short scrutiny timetable, which is not really how we should be dealing with such important legislation. What is your response to all that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

To be honest, I do not doubt your commitment in respect of those examples, and it is helpful to recognise them. Nonetheless, the reality is that we still do not have the structural and systemic change that is necessary to effect the amount of change that is needed for those children and young people. I do not think that anyone could use the word “rushed” when it comes to getting this legislation through—it is taking some time.

I will finish on this. The minister mentioned Sheriff Mackie’s review and other reviews, all of which have taken time. However, the Government must have known that all those things would take time before it marched young people up the hill to tell them that there was going to be a bill, and yet years have passed with no significant change in legislation for them. In fact, Opposition members have been told, about various things, “That will come in the Promise bill”, even when we have tried to amend other bills to ensure that rights for care-experienced people are protected. I just do not think that that is satisfactory, minister.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

So, the bill could include support for—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

How recently, roughly, have you discussed it?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Last Thursday. Did you discuss attendance and, specifically, care-experienced young people?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

During that call, did you discuss together the outcomes that showed that less than half of young people with care experience have even one national 5 qualification on leaving school, are several times less likely to be able to access higher education and are even less likely to know what they will do when they leave school, and that the numbers are getting worse?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Are similar conversations happening with the Minister for Further and Higher Education?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

The Promise

Meeting date: 26 March 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning, minister. I am quite surprised that we cannot get more detail on what is in the forthcoming bill. People watching this meeting, including care-experienced young people and those in the organisations that have been campaigning for action on the Promise for a long time, will be somewhat disappointed, I think, to hear the minister’s response today.

I want to ask some specific questions about the bill itself before I move on to other areas. This time last year, care-experienced young people told the committee that they had not seen much change as a result of the Promise. Today, we cannot tell them what will be in the Promise bill, and we have heard the oversight board say that the bill could be used as an excuse for delay. What can you say to young people watching this meeting today to reassure them that things are progressing and that their rights will be enshrined in some form of legislation?