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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

To go back to the original question, do we need amendments to the bill to achieve some of those things in education, housing and employment?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

If you do not mind, another point on advocacy relates to section 4(4), which you have said should be amended to ensure that the right to advocacy can be only expanded, rather than limited, by secondary legislation. Will you expand on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Laura Pasternak, how would that approach interact with an approach involving independent advocacy?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Does that need to be in the bill or in regulations?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you.

Jo Derrick, in your response, you call for considerable additional funding for advocacy services, to ensure that they are effective. Can you tell us a bit about the capacity in the current system and as you think it needs to be?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I appreciate that. Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Duncan Dunlop, your evidence is really compelling, as is the way that you have just articulated it. There are a couple of measures that you have said would bring about real transformation. One is to guarantee every care leaver a job in the public sector. Does what you have outlined need to be in the bill or are there other ways to do some of those things?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Do you have suggestions on the specifics? Who should we engage with and how should we engage? The committee’s job is to look at the bill, to consider the evidence that we have heard and, potentially, to recommend amendments, should the bill pass stage 1.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you—I appreciate that answer. I will move on to advocacy. Several organisations have commented on the extent to which the new right to access advocacy services for care-experienced people in section 4 of the bill would be shaped in secondary legislation. The committee also heard that there could be confusion between that provision and section 18 on advocacy in the hearings system. Respondents, including the Fostering Network, called for a definition of independent advocacy. Natalie Williams, can you talk about your understanding of advocacy, and what needs to be in the bill and what can be left to regulation?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. I know that we are tight for time, but does Margaret Smith have anything to add to what we have already heard?