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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I share your concerns about the suicide rates. The poor health outcomes for trans people across Scotland and the United Kingdom in general are a concern for us all. I do not know that the bill is the place to address that. Can you see any other routes to addressing that, so that we can work with those who are not captured by the current process, such as those who are not gender dysphoric? Is there another way to make both work together?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you.

Karen Hendry, your opening comments were really powerful, particularly in relation to the impact on women and the Integrity group of people that you described. We have heard in previous discussions, and also today, some worries around bad actors. You were strong in your view on that. Can you tell us how you reached that view and what you think of the issue of bad-faith actors in relation to the bill?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you, that is very helpful. If no one else has any further points on that, I have one last question.

In your submissions, you commented on parts of the bill affecting reassignment surgery or irreversible interventions. Can you tell us a bit more about what you mean by that and how you came to those conclusions?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

On that point, is there a need for the bill to include that offence, or is it already an offence under other legislation? Do you understand why it is included in the bill?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning to the panel and thank you for your opening statements, which I found really helpful.

My first question is also for Paul. Will you set out what the effect of a statutory declaration is and give other examples of how they are used in Scotland today?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

That is ideal. Thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

On your point about regulations, what support and guidance would you be able to offer people who apply for a gender recognition certificate? Have you had any conversations with the Government around the guidance that is mentioned in the bill? In particular, what additional support would you be able to offer to 16 and 17-year-olds?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Yes, it is very helpful. At what point would you signpost people to the organisations that would provide the broader support? What kind of organisations are they?

You mentioned that you would give information on the consequences of applying for a gender recognition certificate and changing sex. What do you expect that advice to look like?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Yes, we will come to the other witnesses shortly.

I should have asked this when I had my turn a minute ago, but the question has just occurred to me, so forgive me for going back to what I already asked about.

Do you expect the information that you give out on the consequences of a gender recognition certificate to change significantly if the legislation is passed, or would it continue to be the same kind of information that you give out on the effect of a GRC now?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. Could you characterise for us the experience of trans people living in prison? I appreciate that the numbers are very small. Can you describe their experience and the experience of other women who are sharing the prison estate with trans people? How is that going so far?