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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Is that what you mean by an infant safeguarder?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Duncan Dunlop, your evidence is really compelling, as is the way that you have just articulated it. There are a couple of measures that you have said would bring about real transformation. One is to guarantee every care leaver a job in the public sector. Does what you have outlined need to be in the bill or are there other ways to do some of those things?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Do you have suggestions on the specifics? Who should we engage with and how should we engage? The committee’s job is to look at the bill, to consider the evidence that we have heard and, potentially, to recommend amendments, should the bill pass stage 1.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you—I appreciate that answer. I will move on to advocacy. Several organisations have commented on the extent to which the new right to access advocacy services for care-experienced people in section 4 of the bill would be shaped in secondary legislation. The committee also heard that there could be confusion between that provision and section 18 on advocacy in the hearings system. Respondents, including the Fostering Network, called for a definition of independent advocacy. Natalie Williams, can you talk about your understanding of advocacy, and what needs to be in the bill and what can be left to regulation?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Do you have a view on whether that should be opt in or opt out?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. I know that we are tight for time, but does Margaret Smith have anything to add to what we have already heard?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you.

Lynne O’Brien, you said in your evidence that many professionals who are already involved in young people’s lives will consider themselves to be advocating for the young person. Do you see a distinction between some of those professionals and an independent advocate?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I appreciate that. I will move on to ask some detailed questions about advocacy. Laura Pasternak, I will start with you and then go to Margaret Smith.

The advocacy provisions in the bill, which are mainly in section 4, are shaped by a lot of secondary legislation. Some of the responses that we have had highlight the potential for confusion with section 18, which relates to information on advocacy in the hearings system. Is there anything that you think absolutely needs to be in the bill? Margaret Smith talked about a definition of independent advocacy. Should anything else on advocacy be in the bill? How does it relate to information on advocacy in the hearings system?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 17 September 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

On the lifelong advocacy point, do you think that we need further information in the bill about when someone has access to advocacy and who has access to advocacy, or do you think that regulation is the space in which to do that?