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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 January 2026
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you.

You have touched on this already, but my final question is on the support that people will get through the transitional arrangements. Do you have any understanding of the number of people who will need that kind of independent support through the advocacy service or third sector organisations, and have you looked at the capacity that those organisations will require to meet that demand?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy and Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you—I appreciate that. I have a final question on that area, which is around the unemployment rate. You note in your papers that the unemployment rate is low. Will you tell us something about the types of jobs that people are accessing? What is the whole picture? Obviously, if people have low wages or are in insecure work, that affects tax take. Can you tell us anything deeper about those figures and how they affect the funding envelope that is available?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy and Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

This is a follow-up question on youth participation. It probably goes back to the less helpful wording of my earlier question. What other understandings do you have of inequalities in workforce participation, such as you have described for low level youth participation?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

That is helpful. Have you at any point considered—

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning, minister and other members of the panel. I want to say up front that, as with other areas of ADP, there are aspects of these regulations that we welcome, such as the terminal illness rules and the different approach that is being taken. My questions, therefore, are put on the basis that we will support these regulations today.

However, I have a few questions about some of the decisions that have been taken up to now. The move from DLA to ADP is not necessarily happening just because someone’s circumstances have changed; it is an administrative change. Can you guarantee that the no-worse-off principle set out by the Scottish Commission on Social Security will be applied in the case of those moving from DLA to ADP, particularly in the midst of a cost of living crisis, and if so, how?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I have seen the figures—there are also the 40,000 on DLA. I was just keen to know whether any thinking had been done on that.

Some of SCOSS’s recommendations hinge on the review process, which brings us back to the eligibility issue. Can you give us an update on that process?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. I have no further questions on this subject, convener.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy and Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

The point that the convener made earlier about the iterative process is important with regard to how we consider the progress that is made.

I have a follow-up question—forgive me if the answer was in the detail that you have given and I have missed it. What assumptions are you making about the uptake of benefits? Are you applying a particular percentage uptake assumption?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy and Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I want to pick up on the point that you mentioned about the changing relationship. You said that the Government had been a bit more transparent about what other funding options it has. Can you give us any more detail about the kinds of conversations that you have been having?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy and Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you, I appreciate that. That leads me nicely to my next question, which is about the broad reasonableness of the assumptions. I note that you mentioned earlier that aspects such as launch date, promotion and the approach to benefits can add to the uncertainty around the cost.

How much information have you had from your discussions with the Government about any likelihood of policy changes within the period? From your submission, I note that you assumed that there would be fewer policy changes in the next period and that the Government considered that to be reasonable. The committee is keen to understand what opportunities there could be through things such as the review of ADP. Do you get any sense from the Government of any kind of timescale or thought processes about changes to those things, so that we could start to look in advance to see where the money would come from?