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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy and Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you, I appreciate that. That leads me nicely to my next question, which is about the broad reasonableness of the assumptions. I note that you mentioned earlier that aspects such as launch date, promotion and the approach to benefits can add to the uncertainty around the cost.

How much information have you had from your discussions with the Government about any likelihood of policy changes within the period? From your submission, I note that you assumed that there would be fewer policy changes in the next period and that the Government considered that to be reasonable. The committee is keen to understand what opportunities there could be through things such as the review of ADP. Do you get any sense from the Government of any kind of timescale or thought processes about changes to those things, so that we could start to look in advance to see where the money would come from?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

That is helpful. Have you at any point considered—

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning, minister and other members of the panel. I want to say up front that, as with other areas of ADP, there are aspects of these regulations that we welcome, such as the terminal illness rules and the different approach that is being taken. My questions, therefore, are put on the basis that we will support these regulations today.

However, I have a few questions about some of the decisions that have been taken up to now. The move from DLA to ADP is not necessarily happening just because someone’s circumstances have changed; it is an administrative change. Can you guarantee that the no-worse-off principle set out by the Scottish Commission on Social Security will be applied in the case of those moving from DLA to ADP, particularly in the midst of a cost of living crisis, and if so, how?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I have seen the figures—there are also the 40,000 on DLA. I was just keen to know whether any thinking had been done on that.

Some of SCOSS’s recommendations hinge on the review process, which brings us back to the eligibility issue. Can you give us an update on that process?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. I have no further questions on this subject, convener.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy and Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

The point that the convener made earlier about the iterative process is important with regard to how we consider the progress that is made.

I have a follow-up question—forgive me if the answer was in the detail that you have given and I have missed it. What assumptions are you making about the uptake of benefits? Are you applying a particular percentage uptake assumption?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy and Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I appreciate that. You gave a similar answer earlier, but when you mentioned youth employment I thought that maybe I had worded it badly the first time around and there was more, but I take that point. Thank you for that.

My final question is about cost of living issues and, in particular, the Scottish Government’s child poverty delivery plan. Does the spending review and your forecasting take account of the money that will be required to deliver that plan? Can you see anything in the Government’s plans that shows that there will be money attached to each of the outcomes within the delivery plan?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy and Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Are there any plans to look at other factors, including employability support, particularly given the constraints that colleagues have highlighted in other areas in the budget?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy and Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you—I appreciate that. I have a final question on that area, which is around the unemployment rate. You note in your papers that the unemployment rate is low. Will you tell us something about the types of jobs that people are accessing? What is the whole picture? Obviously, if people have low wages or are in insecure work, that affects tax take. Can you tell us anything deeper about those figures and how they affect the funding envelope that is available?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

No, that is okay. It is important that we have a dialogue on this.

Disabled people will be watching this and, I guess, worrying, as anyone on DLA transferring to either PIP or ADP will worry. As I am sure that everyone appreciates and understands, it is not a great feeling when a review happens, and the communication and the messages that you put out will be important. Given that, over the years, your Government and my own party in particular have been saying that the changes from DLA to PIP were concerning and given the many problems that you had when the UK Government changed to PIP, have you at any point considered replicating some of the DLA systems in ADP to create a like-for-like benefit for the people concerned?