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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 September 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

So it is not the law that is in front of us—

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

It is interesting to hear where the evidence about the balance of harm lies.

How have other countries dealt with some of the issues that we have heard about regarding single-sex spaces? I have a specific question for Sandy Brindley that I will come to in a moment, but how have other countries struck a balance and dealt with the conflict that people have put to us?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Forgive me, convener. I am slightly confused because, on one hand, Malcolm Clark in particular seems to be saying that it is important for young people to have medical input and therapy, but on the other hand, you feel a bit concerned about pushing people towards medical intervention. Which is it?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I have to say that I think that there should be more support. However, on Lucy Hunter Blackburn’s point, and considering what is in the bill specifically, which part of the bill erases gender dysphoria?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I have a follow-up question. Who are the people whom you are really worried about? Will you share examples that you have seen from international evidence? I know that you have collected a lot of that.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

The reason for my asking is that it is only such evidence that demonstrates the experience of self-declaration.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Please help me to understand. Have we not already, in the 2004 act, identified who would be protected under that section? Have we not also set out, in that act, what the effect of having a GRC would be? Which parts of the new act would change those aspects?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

—but the policy that already exists.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

So is it the effect of a GRC or the process of accessing a GRC that you think needs to change?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 31 May 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good afternoon, panel. Thank you for joining us and for providing submissions in advance.

I want to ask, first, about the international evidence. Naomi McAuliffe, will you say a little bit about your understanding of the international evidence of potential positive or negative impacts of self-ID in countries that have brought it in?