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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 September 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy and Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

The point that the convener made earlier about the iterative process is important with regard to how we consider the progress that is made.

I have a follow-up question—forgive me if the answer was in the detail that you have given and I have missed it. What assumptions are you making about the uptake of benefits? Are you applying a particular percentage uptake assumption?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy and Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I want to pick up on the point that you mentioned about the changing relationship. You said that the Government had been a bit more transparent about what other funding options it has. Can you give us any more detail about the kinds of conversations that you have been having?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Medium-term Financial Strategy and Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you, I appreciate that. That leads me nicely to my next question, which is about the broad reasonableness of the assumptions. I note that you mentioned earlier that aspects such as launch date, promotion and the approach to benefits can add to the uncertainty around the cost.

How much information have you had from your discussions with the Government about any likelihood of policy changes within the period? From your submission, I note that you assumed that there would be fewer policy changes in the next period and that the Government considered that to be reasonable. The committee is keen to understand what opportunities there could be through things such as the review of ADP. Do you get any sense from the Government of any kind of timescale or thought processes about changes to those things, so that we could start to look in advance to see where the money would come from?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

My questions follow on from those of my colleagues Maggie Chapman, Fulton MacGregor and Karen Adam. Can you tell us how many people have requested a gender recognition certificate while in your care? Has that happened?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I am asking about any statutory declaration. Are there any restrictions around people’s ability to make a statutory declaration while they are in prison?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. I am not being deliberately difficult. I am keen to understand the likelihood of someone being in prison and choosing that moment to make a declaration.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. I am nearly finished, convener.

Have you any understanding of how things are working in other countries that already have a self-declaration system? What has been their approach to the prison population?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. I appreciate that clarification, and in particular the point on normalisation and the differences with regard to prison systems elsewhere.

My final question is on a subject that you have already touched on. You said that, just now, although a gender recognition certificate is important, it is one part of the process. Have you considered the legal effect of such a certificate? In your policy review, have you looked at any legal advice that you have been given on that effect as it would apply in future?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you for that clarity on the value of self-declaration in data collection. Before I ask my final question, I also thank the other panellists, because I have found this evidence session really useful. In particular, I thank James Kerr from the Scottish Prison Service for setting out its considered, sensitive and normalised approach to this, which is refreshing.

How do you think data on the representation of women will be affected by the bill?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 June 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you for that answer; that is helpful. I will ask a quick supplementary if that is okay, Chris. What evidence do you have that people would use the bill for bad actor purposes?