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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 September 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 October 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Convener, if I combine it with one of the questions that I have on the other theme to be quicker, can I ask a follow-up question? It is a good example of what I was going to ask.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 October 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I thank the minister for the answer, but that sounds quite a bit like there is still a reliance on the individual to apply. Is there a reason—that I am not aware of—why there could not be an automatic follow-on?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 October 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. That was helpful.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 October 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I will, indeed. I had forgotten that that is an option at this point.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 October 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Am I right in thinking that you said that the payments are made by different organisations?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 October 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you.

We will come later to issues of processing, minister. You say in the Government’s response to the report by the Scottish Commission on Social Security that existing signposting and referral pathways will be developed. Will you set out what those are? Having done various bits of engagement, I am not aware that there are referral pathways between Social Security Scotland and other public sector organisations, including the national health service and, possibly, local authorities, in the way that the DWP has those referral mechanisms.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I thank everybody for their contributions so far and for what they have given us in advance, too. The submissions have been really helpful, as always.

First of all, I have a question about the issue of participation, which we have just discussed. Given some of the barriers that we have heard about, how would you characterise your involvement in the budget and the resource spending review? Could Susan McKellar, Allan Faulds, Oonagh Brown and Clare Gallagher answer that briefly?

I know that that is a lot of answerers, but you could be really brief. I am just trying to get a sense of how engaged you guys have been in the budget process or how open it has been to you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

That was really helpful. I asked the question, because we heard earlier on about the importance of transparency. Obviously, we have already discussed that issue, but I just wanted to get a feel for where we are at so that the committee can understand the scale of the challenge.

My next question is in the same vein and is about minimum core rights and progressive realisation and what we need to measure in that respect. I know that those are big questions, and we have heard a lot about them this morning. I note that Audit Scotland’s submission highlights a gap between the rights that the Government encourages—or the rights that it says that people have or that it wants people to have—and the reality and that Susan McKellar’s submission talks about women being overlooked. Moreover, evidence from others including the Scottish Commission for People with Learning Disabilities—and, indeed, the letter to the British Institute of Human Rights in 2016—have highlighted some of the problems that we have.

We can look at the budget line for, say, social care and say that there might be more money going into that or into social security. However, we heard this morning from people with learning disabilities who are not even able to choose whom they live with. You can argue that the budget going up represents progressive realisation, but the lived reality does not even represent much of a minimum core, I would say. What do we need to measure and what framework can we use to help us get to a point where we can develop a minimum core and then ask sensible questions about the budget?

I throw that question open to anyone who feels that they want to give it a go.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I know—I am sorry.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 25 October 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

My apologies, but I need to go because I have another meeting just now. I am sorry, but I am sure that I will hear the feedback.

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