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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 September 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 19 December 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you for everything that you have shared with us so far, Victor, and for giving us your time this evening. I note what you have just said about data and health, and I will read the Official Report of that later, because I thought that it was very helpful. A colleague of mine has lodged an amendment on that, and it is something that we are keen to look at.

Moving to my questions, I am sure that you will have heard that some people are quite worried about this legislation, and I note your concerns about some of the conflations that have been made and the worries that have been raised. However, I want to ask you about the impact of self-declaration systems in some countries. Have you seen any evidence anywhere of women self-excluding from women-only spaces?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 19 December 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you for that.

With regard to the concerns that you and others have raised and to help to ensure that public bodies, for example, in Scotland both deliver the reform of the gender recognition process that we know that trans people need and understand their responsibilities to women and girls under the Equality Act 2010, do you believe that the Scottish Government should introduce guidance to give clear advice to public bodies and the wider public on how they act and operate?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 19 December 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Yes; I am sorry. When you were forming your view, which you set out in your letter to the cabinet secretary, what examples or evidence did you look at of where self-identification systems have been used in other jurisdictions internationally? How did that help to inform your view?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 19 December 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good evening, Reem. Thank you for joining us tonight and for engaging with us at this time. During our evidence sessions, some witnesses raised similar concerns to those that are set out in your letter. Others, such as Rape Crisis Scotland, explained that single-sex services, such as the one that it provides, have never required a gender recognition certificate and that it has never asked anyone to provide proof of their gender. It also noted that its services had been trans inclusive for 15 years. Have you had any discussions with single-sex service providers in Scotland? Which organisations in Scotland did you engage with on your conclusions in your letter?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 19 December 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

There are amendments to the legislation that relate to that area, and you are aware that the Parliament will look at that this week. Are there any other amendments that you think would be helpful in terms of providing reassurance?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 19 December 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I appreciate that full answer.

In a similar vein, and on the point about evaluations and reviews that you finished with, you will know that a number of people who are critical of the legislation have said that an absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. As a result, Scottish Labour has lodged amendments seeking regular reviews of the impacts of the legislation in order to gather the information that we might need. Have you seen any examples of similar monitoring in international legislation and, if so, what has it found?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 19 December 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you for that.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 19 December 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Yes, of course. I am sorry. Given some of the concerns that people have raised, would it be helpful for the Government to issue guidance on that area?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill

Meeting date: 19 December 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Okay—thank you. When you were forming your view of the proposed legislation in the way that you set out in the letter to the cabinet secretary, what consideration did you give to international examples that already have self-ID systems, and what evidence have you taken specifically on those?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 December 2022

Pam Duncan-Glancy

For the people who get the £50, that is £1 a week against the rising energy costs. I genuinely share concerns that that is a “finger in a dam”, but I am sure that they will appreciate the pound.

You noted that weather stations do not reflect everywhere in Scotland. I share that concern, and you will be aware that, last week, so did witnesses. What other weather-related options did you consider? Did you look at absolute temperature? You said that it would be “administratively burdensome”. Will you set out the conversations that you have had with the Met Office?