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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I agree that it does.

We have heard evidence, including from the Royal College of Speech and Language Therapists, that the more consultative approach that colleagues have alluded to has meant that, for example, speech and language therapists or CAMHS professionals have had to give input to teachers who then have to provide speech and language therapy to pupils. We heard parents talk about one case in which teachers were giving pupils cognitive behavioural therapy because there were not enough psychologists to provide that intervention.

In answer to one of my parliamentary questions, Jenni Minto said:

“Over the next three years the Scottish Government will invest in a new programme of work ... to build confidence and capacity for staff working in early learning and childcare settings, and joining up efforts across other key public services”.—[Written Answers, 10 August 2023; S6W-20521.]

Is it now Government policy to have a consultative approach in schools and to put more workload on teachers?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Is it your intention, in any updated code of practice, to address some of the issues that we heard about from Sylvia Haughney, including support staff not having rooms to take young people to and having to provide support in stairwells or, in some cases, cupboards?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

There are 392 fewer specialist teachers now than there were 10 years ago. I take the point about ring fencing—the cabinet secretary will know that I am not exercised on that issue—but I do not think that it is acceptable for the Government to say that we can ring fence the funding but not put money into it. Local authorities are making difficult decisions because of the settlement that they have received. If the cabinet secretary is saying that local authorities are going to go with more pupil support assistants—and they are hugely valuable—will she now accept that pupil support assistants need to have training and support to do their job, that they need pay and conditions that reflect the size and scale of the job as it has become, and that they also probably need some non-contact time to do the training and the risk assessment that is required in that role?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

What can you say about public sector reform in general that you think could help with that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning, and thank you for joining us and for sending the information to the committee in advance. It has been hugely helpful.

I have a broad opening question. Why do parents have to fight all the time? What is the root cause of the difficulties that they and their children and young people face when accessing education?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I have a question on that particular point.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I will resist the temptation to talk about CSPs and resources, because other colleagues will talk about those. Why is communication breaking down and what do we need to change to ensure that everybody knows who should be communicating what, at the right point, and to whom?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Okay.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you—I appreciate that. That brings me nicely on to my next question. Do you believe that local authorities are taking a rights-based approach? How is that reflected in resource allocations for pupils with complex needs, and in supporting families and young people to contribute to and challenge decisions of the local authority?

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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Additional Support for Learning Inquiry

Meeting date: 13 March 2024

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Good morning and, as the convener said, thank you for what you have submitted in advance.

I have a fairly open question to start with. Why do parents feel that they have to fight all the time? What are the root causes of the difficulties that they and children and young people face?