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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Sorry, but can I interrupt you? If they are not already meeting the duties, surely that would not be duplication. This is about underlining what needs to be done and encouraging them to do it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

If they had different approaches, would it not be highlighted that the IJB was part of the process?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

What would you do differently to enable a system that plans more coherently and works in a more joined-up way for children and young people?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Do you work with other regulators on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

One of the suggestions in the bill to take some complexity out of the system relates to the way in which IJBs are involved in children’s planning. We met care-experienced children and young people last night. Much of what they were talking about was the connectedness of their lives and the fact that they do not live in silos. Do you think that the structures and systems in local authorities are able to properly deal with the complexity?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I will bring in Dave Berry in a moment, if that is okay, because I saw that he wanted to come in.

I take your point, but the reality on the ground is that the system is not joined up.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Is the £497 million or so shortfall that has been identified in IJB budgets across Scotland affecting what is happening on the ground?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

I understand all that, and I acknowledge the bureaucratic, workforce and resource issues that have been highlighted. Ultimately, though, as the Audit Scotland report makes clear, and as we have heard from young people and staff on the front line, planning is not what it needs to be in order to give young people a joined-up, person-centred approach. On balance, do you think that the proposal to move the IJB into the children’s planning system is the right thing to do in order to make things better? If not, what will make things better?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you for the information that you gave us in advance, which has been referenced a few times, and for the answers that you have given so far.

I will start with Social Work Scotland’s submission in response to our call for views, which said that its members had

“almost universally struggled to understand what difference the inclusion of IJB’s as core duty holders”

in children’s services planning

“will make.”

I go to John Trainer first. Will you tell us a bit more about that? Will you reflect on some of the questions that I put to other witnesses earlier this morning about the need for joined-up provision for children and young people? You have highlighted a lot of concerns to do with prisons, housing and so on. Will you tell us why the IJB solution is not necessarily a helpful one?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Children (Care, Care Experience and Services Planning) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Pam Duncan-Glancy

Thank you. That is appreciated. Charlotte Wilson, what is your view, as the scrutiny body, on the issue?