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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
  7. Current session: 14 May 2026 to 13 September 2026
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Climate Action Committee [Draft]

Climate Action

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Ariane Burgess

That was very helpful. Thanks.

Climate Action Committee [Draft]

Climate Action

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Ariane Burgess

I will put my next question to some of the other witnesses. Could the ability to share data and think about how you collect it and work with it potentially improve if there was a joint environment body, and could the expense be reduced? I know that, at this stage, there are question marks about where we are going, but it is important for environment organisations to have data.

Climate Action Committee [Draft]

Climate Action

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Ariane Burgess

I want pursue the line of conversation around public service reform. I will frame my concerns, some of which have been voiced already this morning. We have the 30 by 30 commitment, whereby we are supposed to protect and restore 30 per cent of Scotland’s nature by 2030. That is less than four years away, and now there is talk of critical public bodies going through a large restructuring. Another issue that, for me, hangs over this whole session is the nature security assessment on global biodiversity collapse that was done by a UK joint committee.

I hear you all saying that the proposed restructuring offers a great opportunity, and I loved what Nicole Paterson said about having a single front door, which is important and is an issue that came up a lot in session 6 at meetings of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. However, as Dan Paris said, if we go down the proposed route, it is really important that we frame the purpose of the new organisation. This will be the first of a number of conversations that we will have over a period of time as we try to understand what the proposed restructuring will mean.

I want to ask Nick Halfhide about the challenges of data collection, which might also be a question for SEPA. An issue that has been brought up with me is the fact that we do not collect the right data. If we are to have a single body overseeing our environment, we need to have a data collection process that is accessible to the public. What I hear is that NatureScot collects some data but not all the data that it should collect, and that it puts that data online in the form of Excel spreadsheets. If we are to have a single body whose work is based on the scientific evidence, how do we ensure that it collects the right data? Could you see that happening as part of the proposed change?

Climate Action Committee [Draft]

Climate Action

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Ariane Burgess

You say that we are gathering a lot of data and that we need to get on with taking action. I get that. However, because of the gull amendments to the Natural Environment (Scotland) Act 2026, you have been gathering data on gulls but only on adults and juveniles and not on eggs, so we do not have a full picture of what is going on with our seabirds. That is a good example of the kind of thing that I am talking about.

In addition, at the moment—I would say that this goes for SEPA as well—the way in which the data is presented makes it really inaccessible for people who are trying to do citizen science or to help us to do better on nature and climate.

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Climate Action Committee [Draft]

Climate Action

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Ariane Burgess

I will move off data because, as I said, we will talk to you more about that in the future.

I want to ask about the idea of having a single land agency, which brings in Wendy Kimpton, Nicole Paterson and Nick Halfhide. What could be the benefits of public land being held within one agency?

Climate Action Committee [Draft]

Climate Action

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Ariane Burgess

Scrutiny is a role that ESS, Audit Scotland and the committee all have in common. What might be the biggest challenges for the committee? How can we best complement what your organisations are doing on scrutiny and enforcement?

Climate Action Committee [Draft]

Climate Action

Meeting date: 3 September 2026

Ariane Burgess

You talked about how you follow the public pound and make sure that the money is spent well, but you said that you do not really look at the merits of the actual programmes. Maybe that is something that we could look at.

Climate Action Committee

Interests

Meeting date: 25 June 2026

Ariane Burgess

I wrote a book called “Life Design for Women: Conscious Living as a Force for Positive Change”, which has a strong focus on changes that people can make in relation to climate change and nature. That is on my entry in the register of members’ interests.

Climate Action Committee

Deputy Convener

Meeting date: 25 June 2026

Ariane Burgess

I am content and delighted to be deputy convener of the committee.

Climate Action Committee

Deputy Convener

Meeting date: 25 June 2026

Ariane Burgess

As you said in your opening remarks, convener, this is a very important committee, and I look forward to our working constructively together. I see this parliamentary session as being the one when we need to get climate change right, but it is not just about climate change—we are also looking at biodiversity loss. There are reports from the United Kingdom Government on global biodiversity loss that give us an additional lens to look through. We have crucial work to do, and I hope that we can play a role in supporting other committees to look through that lens, too.