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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 January 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Ariane Burgess

The challenge is that we still do not have a timescale for that. I had these conversations with you during consideration of the Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill, but there are still no timescales. In the past year, in relation to another piece of legislation, I have had a minister and two cabinet secretaries give me assurances about things that I was advocating for on behalf of stakeholders. With apologies, minister, your assurances are not enough, because we will be heading very quickly into an election. This is not about me; it is about the fruit and vegetable producers who really need support. Those producers have been coming up with proposals and suggestions for support, but they feel that nothing is really happening. The committee needs to see timescales and more information about what you are considering.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Ariane Burgess

That is an example of the challenge that the committee faces, and that the rural payments and inspections division perhaps faces in rolling out the rural support plan. We get drip fed things. Stakeholders see something like this and say, “What about us? We’re missing out.” We are not seeing the whole picture, which is something that we talked about the previous time that you brought an SSI to the committee. We cannot see the whole picture, so it is hard to have that conversation to reassure people.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Ariane Burgess

How much is the fund?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Ariane Burgess

It is £3 million, and we have a £500,000 capital fund for other producers, so—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Ariane Burgess

I did have a point, but it has gone out of my head now, so it is fine.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Ariane Burgess

I got the impression from something that was said that, next year, other people could set up a PO and get involved. Is that the case, or is the scheme exclusive to the three POs?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Ariane Burgess

That means that, from now until 2029, only the three existing producer organisations will have access to that fund.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Ariane Burgess

One of the challenges that we established earlier regarding the producer organisation aspect is that the definition is reserved. Does that include the requirements for the organisation to have a turnover of at least £1 million, for producers to contribute 100 per cent—or 75 per cent—of their product, and for the organisation to have a minimum of five producers?

I hear that you want to keep the funding, because—as I have understood—it is not so much about protecting the three producer organisations but preventing people south of the border from tapping into the Scottish budget. It was fascinating to hear that, if we do not pass the SSI, more people could tap into the £3 million fund from the start of next year.

I hear all the reasons why you want to keep the producer organisation scheme, which are that it works for the three producer organisations. However, is it possible that, instead of doing that scheme, the Government could step back and say, “Let us create a fruit and veg scheme”? This is the first SSI that has directly addressed fruit and vegetables. Surely we should have an SSI that would let us fund all fruit and vegetable producers and take a percentage of the Scottish agricultural budget—let us say that is 4 per cent, or something—and let any producer be able to access it. We could do that rather than create this exclusionary policy, which is odd. You are effectively asking us to pass an SSI that would support three producers organisations but not let anyone else to come in for the next four years. If we do not support the SSI, more producer organisations could be set up and get into action.

It is also interesting that there were 11 producers organisations but now, after several years, there are only three. We got down to three producer organisations and we are now creating an exclusion through this SSI that will allow only those three to continue. In the meantime, there are a lot of other producers that want and need access to all the things that could help them to produce food for Scotland.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Ariane Burgess

The SSI is about fruit and veg. We were talking about small producers then all of a sudden we were talking about private kill. That is absolutely fine, but there is a concern—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Ariane Burgess

The fruit and veg producers were the stakeholders who got in touch with us to express their concern about being shut out of that £3 million funding pot.