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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 January 2026
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Ariane Burgess

In your discussions with your UK Government counterparts, have you gained an understanding of what the barrier is to making the decision?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for that. I will move on to theme 2 and bring in Willie Coffey on heat decarbonisation, energy efficiency and skills.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Ariane Burgess

Thank you—I was curious about that, and I wondered how much uptake there would be.

We go back to Willie Coffey.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Ariane Burgess

In order to access the funding from the grants and loans, people have to go through the scheme.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Ariane Burgess

Maybe I should not put this on the record, but I have an air-source heat pump and went through that process, which was interesting. It was a few years ago now—we found the installer first, before we got to Home Energy Scotland. It was great; we had a super installer. So, we did it in a different way.

I want to pick up on what Mark Griffin said. We had an informal session with people who had gone through the process or who had tried to go through the process. Things might be different from when those people and I went through the process, but it was a difficult process—it was not smooth. Communication response times from Home Energy Scotland were slow. An email would come in asking for a bit of information, but not all the information that could have been asked for at that time. There was difficulty in not being assigned a case worker and being bumped back into the system instead. That all might have been tidied up since those people told us about the experiences that they had, but it is something that we need to look at.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Ariane Burgess

That is very reassuring. I hope that I will not have to go through an air-source heat pump process again, but it sounds as though you have looked at the process and have introduced improvements.

Fulton MacGregor joins us online with questions on cost and finance.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Ariane Burgess

I have a few more questions on monitoring. Annex 3 describes monitoring progress against an emissions envelope, supported by early warning indicators. However, effective parliamentary scrutiny, which is what the committee is trying to do, depends on understanding the assumptions that the Government is making. I am interested to know whether it will be possible to see key modelling assumptions for the building sector before the final climate change plan is published, including the assumed installation rates, uptake trajectories and delivery timelines. We have built the plan on certain modelling, and I am also interested to understand how current the datasets that are being used are, so that we can understand whether we are starting from the right place.

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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much for that. I suggest that you look at the Official Report of the evidence session that we had with COSLA and other local authority-related organisations, which was a very good evidence session. I see nodding heads, so perhaps that has already been referred to.

It may be that something is already in the plan, but there is a point about how we translate that into people saying, “This is really easy to pick up” and “This is my bit and I need to do it”. We heard earlier about the good ideas around consumer engagement and such things. Perhaps there needs to be something for people who are delivering engagement to help them to understand that that is what they need to be doing.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Ariane Burgess

The next item on our agenda is to take evidence on the draft climate change plan from the Cabinet Secretary for Housing. We are joined by the cabinet secretary, Màiri McAllan; Gareth Fenney, the Scottish Government’s interim deputy director for heat in buildings delivery; Henry Hardy, climate change plan team leader; and Jess Niven, interim deputy director for heat in buildings policy and regulation. I welcome you all to the meeting. There is no need for you to operate the microphones, as we will do that for you.

If you wish to make a brief opening statement, cabinet secretary, you are welcome to do so.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Ariane Burgess

Will you clarify what you mean by schemes and provisions that already exist? Do you mean things such as the Home Energy Scotland programmes?