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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 September 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

We previously agreed to take the next items in private.

11:24 Meeting continued in private until 12:06.  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

Great.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

That is very welcome. After this evidence session, we will discuss how we will communicate our findings so far.

Fulton MacGregor has the next questions.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

The next item on our agenda is to take evidence as part of our inquiry into the council tax system in Scotland. We have around 75 minutes for this discussion. We are joined by Shona Robison, the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government, and her officials. Ellen Leaver is the acting director for local government, and David Storrie is the head of local taxation policy, at the Scottish Government. We are also joined by Councillor Katie Hagmann, who is the resources spokesperson at the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, and Mirren Kelly, who is the chief officer of local government finance at COSLA.

If we cast our memories back to the 2015 commission on local tax reform, it was a major piece of work involving consultation, research and cross-party engagement. I am interested in understanding from the witnesses—starting with the cabinet secretary—why they think that the commission ultimately failed to lead to any significant changes.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thank you very much for that. Certainly, the point about political will came up quite strongly in our previous sessions on the issue.

I will direct my second question to Katie Hagmann. In its letter to the committee, COSLA states its intention to work with council leaders to develop cross-party support for reform. Given the political make-up of Scotland’s councils and the wide range of views, I am interested in understanding how you intend to approach that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

It is helpful to know that that is part of the process. I have a question for Councillor Hagmann and the cabinet secretary. Out of curiosity, why do you think that other taxation and public finance changes—for example, income tax changes—seem to take place without political consensus? What is the difference when it comes to council tax? Why do we need to take everybody with us on that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

“Economic, Social and Cultural Rights in the Highlands and Islands”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thanks, convener. I appreciate that.

We talked earlier about addressing the individual problem while not tackling the need for systemic change. This conversation has raised for me issues of governance when people are not in the boardrooms. We are talking about engagement and consultation, but do we also need to consider structures of governance that put people in the room? Community planning partnerships are an attempt in that direction, and they work to some degree in some places but not in others. What are your thoughts on such structural change?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

“Economic, Social and Cultural Rights in the Highlands and Islands”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

Before I ask my main question, I want to pick up on something that Luis Yanes spoke about, which is how the individual problem is solved but the systemic issue is not. That has come through in work that I have been doing in another committee, on the Scottish Public Service Ombudsman. One thing that has come up through that work is what happens to people in trauma and how they go into a kind of head-based system, when what is actually going on is quite a lot of emotional challenges, and there is no space for that. I hear that you are saying that moving to a more human rights-based approach is about addressing the system. Is there space for addressing the emotional or traumatic challenges that people often face when they get hooked by something and cannot get free?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

“Economic, Social and Cultural Rights in the Highlands and Islands”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

The main question that I want to ask comes back to the point that was initially made by the convener on the human rights bill. That bill will not now be introduced in this parliamentary session, and your recommendation is that it be introduced in the next session. Are you aware of any other bills in the pipeline, such as the Housing (Scotland) Bill, whereby we could look at introducing rights in that way? The housing bill is one example, but is there anything else that you can think of—maybe community wealth building legislation?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

“Economic, Social and Cultural Rights in the Highlands and Islands”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

This has been a brilliant conversation, and I wish we had a few more hours to go into some of the detail that has started to arise in my mind. The intention now is to share the findings across the Highlands and Islands and to enable local communities to use the report to defend and—to use the word that I heard you say—“access” their rights. I would be interested to understand how you plan to use the report to help enable communities to defend and access their rights.