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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Ariane Burgess
Good morning, and welcome to the 26th meeting of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee in 2025. We have received apologies from Willie Coffey, and Fulton MacGregor will join us online. I remind everyone to make sure that their devices are set to silent.
The first item on our agenda is a decision on whether to take items 3, 4, 5 and 6 in private. Do we agree to do so?
Members indicated agreement.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Ariane Burgess
We now go online to Fulton MacGregor. [Interruption.]
We are having a technical pause.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Ariane Burgess
It is great that you are pulling in the housing to 2040 board and various people to support the process. There is a housing emergency delivery action and assurance group. Is that one of the groups that you mentioned, or is it separate? If it is separate, what is its role?
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Ariane Burgess
I come back to your point about relieving the pressure, particularly relating to children in temporary accommodation. The committee would welcome updates on that. It would be helpful to be kept abreast of that, move along with you on that journey and understand the concern about people in temporary accommodation, particularly young people.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Ariane Burgess
That sounds good. If a temporary place could become a permanent home, it could be a way to reduce the unsettling nature of having to move on.
We move to the topic of housing supply and investment.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Ariane Burgess
That is helpful. In my experience, when somebody gets a new post, it is good to get in early and get the priority thing lodged in their mind. Meghan Gallacher has a supplementary question.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Ariane Burgess
You talked about the opportunity with heat networks and, in a previous answer, about the importance of community ownership of renewable energy. I know that the idea of communities owning heat networks is quite strong. Are you taking it into consideration as you think about the bill? Although it is perhaps not part of the bill, the opportunity for communities to own heat networks seems to be another way to build community wealth.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Ariane Burgess
That is it on heat in buildings. Thanks for your answers on that. We will move on to other questions, which I will run through. The first few are on dampness and mould regulations and other regulations coming out of the Housing (Scotland) Bill. I would be interested to get a sense from you on the anticipated timings for the regulations that will come to us in order to implement Awaab’s law for rented housing.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Ariane Burgess
Certainly. That leads on to the next point that I wanted to raise. What prompted the Government to launch the open call at this stage in the process—I guess that that is part of the expansion that you talked about—and what information does the Government hold on buildings with potentially flammable cladding? We would be particularly interested in the data provided by the 2021 inventory of high-rise buildings and the subsequent evidence that was gathered.
Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee
Meeting date: 7 October 2025
Ariane Burgess
The next item on our agenda is an evidence-taking session from Màiri McAllan, the Cabinet Secretary for Housing, on the progress of the Scottish Government’s cladding remediation programme and on her portfolio’s priorities. I welcome her warmly to her role. It is good to have her in our committee room, and we look forward to our conversation today.
Ms McAllan is joined by three Scottish Government officials: Matthew Elsby, deputy director of the better homes division; Stephen Lea-Ross, director of cladding remediation; and Jess Niven, interim deputy director of heat in buildings policy and regulation. I welcome them all to the meeting.
We will go straight to questions, and I will start. Members have a number of questions and interests, but the initial set of questions will focus on the cladding remediation programme. The pilot phase of that programme was launched in 2021 and I would be interested to understand whether that has now ended, what the results of the pilot were and what lessons have been learned to inform future action.