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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 June 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

You have used the word “radical” a few times, but we are discussing how to get to the root of the problem and move forward.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

Exactly.

I have two more questions—please give brief answers if possible, and then we will arrive on time.

The next question relates to some of Ken Gibb’s thoughts. He believes that

“local government finance reform needs to be nested in reform of local government powers and boundaries”

and that

“Tinkering with one aspect does not begin to deal with the wicked problems of reforming local government in Scotland.”

What are your thoughts on those ideas?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

David, do you have anything to add in that space?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

Yes—by the time someone has put in that effort, they have lost that time.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

This issue has been touched on a bit, but I want to get to the bottom line. The IFS claims that

“Adding more bands would allow for a more fine-grained relationship between property value and tax liability”,

but it notes that the Welsh Government believes that having a relatively small number of

“wide bands makes valuation easier and reduces the number of appeals.”

I am interested in hearing a bit more about that from David Phillips, and whether Emma Congreve agrees with that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

Ken Gibb talked about a split tax—part LVT, part housing services.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

Welcome back. Again, we have around 75 minutes for this discussion, so I would be grateful if we could keep the questions and answers as succinct as possible.

We are joined in the room by Emma Congreve, who is the deputy director and principal knowledge exchange fellow at the Fraser of Allander Institute, and online by David Phillips, who is the associate director of the Institute for Fiscal Studies. We will try to direct our questions to one of you initially, but if you would like to come in, please indicate to me or the clerks. David, you can do that by typing an R in the chat box. There is no need for you to operate the microphones—we do all of that for you.

I direct the first question to Emma Congreve. It is the same question as I asked the previous panel. We have had commissions and we have had claims that council tax is unpopular. However, council tax has managed to survive for 32 years. Do you consider that there are any benefits to the current system of council tax?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

I am getting from your response that we are stuck in a situation in which there are no real benefits to the current system and we could be implementing a lot of technical solutions.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

We will move on to a new area, which is on the practicalities and politics of council tax revaluation.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 18 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

Again.