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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

The next item on our agenda is to take evidence as part of our inquiry into the council tax system in Scotland. We have around 75 minutes for this discussion. We are joined by Shona Robison, the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government, and her officials. Ellen Leaver is the acting director for local government, and David Storrie is the head of local taxation policy, at the Scottish Government. We are also joined by Councillor Katie Hagmann, who is the resources spokesperson at the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, and Mirren Kelly, who is the chief officer of local government finance at COSLA.

If we cast our memories back to the 2015 commission on local tax reform, it was a major piece of work involving consultation, research and cross-party engagement. I am interested in understanding from the witnesses—starting with the cabinet secretary—why they think that the commission ultimately failed to lead to any significant changes.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thank you very much for that. Certainly, the point about political will came up quite strongly in our previous sessions on the issue.

I will direct my second question to Katie Hagmann. In its letter to the committee, COSLA states its intention to work with council leaders to develop cross-party support for reform. Given the political make-up of Scotland’s councils and the wide range of views, I am interested in understanding how you intend to approach that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

It is helpful to know that that is part of the process. I have a question for Councillor Hagmann and the cabinet secretary. Out of curiosity, why do you think that other taxation and public finance changes—for example, income tax changes—seem to take place without political consensus? What is the difference when it comes to council tax? Why do we need to take everybody with us on that?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

I will pick up on the scope of the engagement. The idea of percentages came up at our meeting on 18 February. Would you consider talking to people about that? There are challenges with that idea and no one is necessarily advocating it, but what was said during that meeting suggests that a percentage system could be more proportionate and potentially fairer than the current banding system.

Would you be prepared to open up the engagement process to include discussion of that idea, so that people can understand that banding is not the only option? It might be the one that we end up with, but there could be other options.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

That sounds like one of the good next steps.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

I want to pick up on the 20 per cent IFS figure—the people whom it identified as being potential losers. In part of your collaboration and work together, will you try to dig into that data, to get an understanding of what the percentage really is?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

I am glad to hear you say that we do not want to be here in a year’s time without having achieved anything. There is a sense of relief in the committee—and perhaps among our adoring fans, who are watching—about that.

Emma Roddick has a couple of questions.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Decisions on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

Good morning and welcome to the 7th meeting in 2025 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. I remind all members and witnesses to ensure that their devices are on silent.

Our first agenda item is to decide whether to take items 4 and 5 in private. Do members agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

That sounds great. Alexander Stewart has a brief supplementary question.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

“Economic, Social and Cultural Rights in the Highlands and Islands”

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thanks, convener. I appreciate that.

We talked earlier about addressing the individual problem while not tackling the need for systemic change. This conversation has raised for me issues of governance when people are not in the boardrooms. We are talking about engagement and consultation, but do we also need to consider structures of governance that put people in the room? Community planning partnerships are an attempt in that direction, and they work to some degree in some places but not in others. What are your thoughts on such structural change?