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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 September 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

The next item on our agenda is to take evidence as part of our scrutiny of the Scottish budget 2026-27. Malcolm Burr, chief executive of Comhairle nan Eilean Siar, joins us in the room. We are joined online by Nikki Bridle, chief executive of Clackmannanshire Council; Thomas Glen, chief executive of Perth and Kinross Council; Ken Gourlay, chief executive of Fife Council; and Dr Dawn Roberts, chief executive of Dumfries and Galloway Council. I welcome our witnesses to the meeting. We have around 90 minutes for our discussion. There is no need for you to operate your microphones. Members will try to direct their questions to specific witnesses in the first instance. However, if you wish to contribute, please indicate to me or to the clerks, or do so online by typing R in the chat.

I will begin the questions, and I will bring you all in for this first one. As I said when we were in private session, Malcolm, we will probably end up picking on you a lot, as you are the only one in the room. I will initially aim the question to you, and we will then go round everybody online.

It is a broad question. What are the main challenges facing the comhairle, and what would you like to see in the Scottish budget to help to address them?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much for that, Nikki. It is interesting to hear your point about the distribution mechanisms not working for a local authority of your size on the mainland.

Ken Gourlay, you indicated that you would like to come in.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Yes.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thanks. Thomas Glen, you have not indicated that you would like to speak, so I will not push you. You might have an answer for my next question.

I will come back to you, Ken, because you mentioned social care. The committee is aware that local authorities are now doing more in the areas of early years provision, free school meals and adult social care. I would be interested to hear what, in order to do more in those areas, each local authority is having to do less of, and what impacts those reductions are having on individuals, businesses and communities. It is quite a big question.

Ken, I will ask you to start. We might have sent you a message about your headset and microphone. Do not worry about that now—just continue. We can hear you well enough.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Yes.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

We are having a technology-related pause.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Do not apologise for the answer, which was very helpful. We have talked about the fiscal framework as part of the Verity house agreement, but you are maybe the first person to have made clear the connection to the funding formula as part of that agreement and the need to get into that space.

I remember in 2021, when I was first convening a session on the budget, the funding formula came up and it was clear that nobody really wanted to go into that space, given the challenges that it can bring up. However, we are clearly hearing today, certainly from Dawn Roberts, that it is a challenging formula that is not working for her council any more.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

There does not seem to be anyone else. Would anyone else like to come in on workforce?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

I do not think that anyone else wants to come in on that, so I come back to Meghan Gallacher on her housing question.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Does anyone want to come in on that, if you are facing that issue? There does not seem to be anyone in that position.

Malcolm Burr, do you want to come in briefly?