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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 September 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

We now welcome our final panel of witnesses. We are joined by Dr Caroline Brown, assistant professor of environmental planning and healthy environments at the urban institute at Heriot-Watt University, and Professor Cliff Hague, who is a chartered town planner and chair of the Cockburn Association. I welcome you both warmly. It has been a long morning, but this is such an important conversation. I will begin with the same questions that I put to the previous witnesses. I would love to hear you briefly outline your views on the key changes that have been made in the revised national planning framework.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thank you very much for those answers. Please do not shut up, because we are hearing new things from you, which I think is important.

Professor Hague, you have just touched on the climate and nature crises, and I want to ask you perhaps more of a question on planning that I think phased a few folks on the previous panels when I put it to them. In practical terms, what does the requirement for decision makers to give significant weight to the global climate and nature crises mean for development management and development planning across Scotland?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

Item 3 on our agenda is to consider a Scottish statutory instrument. As it is a negative instrument, there is no requirement for the committee to make any recommendation on it. Members will note that the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee reported the instrument to the Parliament on the grounds that it failed to comply with laying requirements in terms of timings. However, the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee was content with the Scottish Government’s explanation of the reasons for that breach.

As members have no comments, are we agreed that we do not wish to make any recommendations in relation to the instrument?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

I am impressed that, since the document has been published, you have been busy in bringing together planners for discussions in order to question how things will work in the sector. You said that at the beginning and mentioned it again just there. That is fantastic.

You also made the poignant point that planning and decisions about our built environment can affect somebody’s decision to choose to live. That is tremendous, and it would be great to see planners in general resourced properly.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thank you, Morag.

I will say a bit more about the process, because we have some folks online and some in the room. I will ask all of you to respond to my first question because we want to get foundational views, but we will try to direct other questions. Please indicate when you want to comment. If you are joining us online, please put the letter R in the chat box.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

Good morning and welcome to the 29th meeting in 2022 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. I ask all members and witnesses to ensure that all their devices are on silent and that all notifications are turned off during the meeting.

The first item on the agenda is to decide whether to take items 4 and 5 in private. Do members agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

We turn to agenda item 2, which is evidence taking on the national planning framework 4. We will hear from three separate panels of witnesses. First, we are joined by Robbie Calvert, who is policy, practice and research officer at the Royal Town Planning Institute, and Jim Miller, who is the chair of Heads of Planning Scotland. I warmly welcome you both.

I will begin the questioning, and my colleagues have a number of questions. As there are two of you and we have a nice bit of time, we can relax a little, although I will, of course, be keeping us to time.

We will begin by taking a broad overview. Will you briefly outline your views on the key changes that have been made in the “National Planning Framework 4: Revised Draft”?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thank you very much. Jim Miller, what are your thoughts?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

We have gone over time, but it is important that we have the space to get all these views out. Our final committee member to ask questions is Miles Briggs.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

Willie Coffey has a supplementary.