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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 September 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

Good morning and welcome to the 30th meeting in 2022 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. I ask all members and witnesses to ensure that their devices are on silent and that all notifications are turned off during the meeting.

The first item on our agenda is to decide whether to take items 4 and 5 in private. Do members agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Planning Framework 4

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

Will that be linked into the biodiversity strategy and the natural environment bill? Will there be a cross-connection there?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

The third item on our agenda is to continue our scrutiny of the National Care Service (Scotland) Bill. We have two panels of witnesses representing people who receive social care. For our first panel, we are joined online by Mike Burns, who is representing the Granite Care Consortium but is also the chief executive officer of the mental health charity Penumbra; Sophie Lawson, policy and participation manager at Glasgow Disability Alliance; Stephanie Fraser, chief executive of Cerebral Palsy Scotland; and Andy Miller, strategic lead for participation and practice at the Scottish Commission for People with Learning Disabilities.

I welcome our witnesses. If they indicate when they wish to respond to a particular question by putting the letter R in the chat box, I will make sure that we bring them in. We have only an hour for this panel, so I remind members to, where possible, address their questions to particular witnesses. Of course, I will potentially go against that request when I begin my questions.

I will begin by focusing on the challenges facing care delivery. I am interested in your perspectives on the main problems with the way in which social care is delivered currently. Do you agree that there is a postcode lottery in care delivery in Scotland? I will start with Stephanie Fraser and then open that up to others.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

We have quite a few questions to get through. I ask colleagues to direct their question to somebody initially, and witnesses should put an R in the chat function if they have something to add. I definitely want to hear from everybody, but if we keep going around everyone for all the questions, we will run over time quite considerably.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

I will try to bring in Henry Simmons again. Henry, can you respond or add anything from the Alzheimer Scotland perspective on the problems with the way that social care is delivered and the postcode lottery piece? Do we need to legislate to bring about the improvement?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

That brings us to the end of our questions. Thank you so much for keeping the answers short. Stephanie, I noticed that you were cut off when you were saying something that might be important to convey. If you would put that in writing, I would welcome it.

Thank you for joining us this morning. It has been useful for the committee to hear from all of you and to hear the various perspectives.

I suspend the meeting for five minutes to allow for a change of witnesses.

12:01 Meeting suspended.  

12:06 On resuming—  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

Thank you, Sophie. Mike Burns would like to come in as well.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

I will continue with another question and will start with you, Mike. If others want to come in, please indicate so in the chat function.

The committee has heard from others that the proposed national care service is a disproportionate solution to address some of the challenges that you have all laid out this morning. I am keen to hear your views on whether legislation is needed to bring about improvements. Is there another way in which we could approach needs in a more joined-up way and do the things that you have discussed?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

It does not look as though anyone else wants to come in on that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Ariane Burgess

Stephanie Fraser and Mike Burns want to come in.