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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 January 2026
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

New Deal with Local Government

Meeting date: 5 September 2023

Ariane Burgess

That concludes our questions in what has been a very useful session. It sounds as if it is a case of “So far, so good”—you seem to have a constructive relationship, and the trust is there. That is tremendous, and we look forward to getting updates on how things are going.

I thank everyone who has given evidence today, particularly the minister and Councillor Heddle for staying for such a long meeting. You did well.

At the start of the meeting, we agreed to take the next items on the agenda in private. As that was the last public item, I close the public part of the meeting.

12:06 Meeting continued in private until 12:20.  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

I will broaden out the discussion on the topic of licensing. Good morning, minister—it has been a really engaging session so far.

Professor Newton mentioned that one reason why the Werritty group recommended licensing of grouse moors was to

“fill an important evidence gap in relation to land use in Scotland”.—[Official Report, Rural Affairs and Islands Committee, 14 June 2023; c 12.]

He said that that could be done by requiring annual information to be returned on the number of animals killed of all species.

Alex Hogg said that the Scottish Gamekeepers Association would agree with that, and Ross Ewing from Scottish Land & Estates said that such information is already being collected, although it is not reported. I am interested in whether the Government will introduce such a requirement or recommend that NatureScot does so.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

I would be interested in hearing whether the minister agrees with Scottish Government officials that the proposed grouse moor licensing system is compliant with the European convention on human rights. What is your response to stakeholders who claim that it is not?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

I thoroughly welcome yesterday’s announcement that the Scottish Government will lodge amendments at stage 2 to expand the SSPCA’s powers. Green colleagues have been campaigning for that for many years now.

At the end of the letter that was sent to the committee yesterday, it says that the amendments will be lodged after “further consultation with stakeholders”. Who are you going to be consulting and what kind of questions will you be asking them?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

I also asked whether you would be willing to commission further research on how peatlands and those maturer landscapes can act as natural firebreaks.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thank you.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thank you.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Can you go into a bit more detail on that? After all, you are clearly getting some pushback from people who are saying that it is not.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Ariane Burgess

I have a couple of questions about wildfires. The committee has heard that muirburn is an important tool in managing wildfire risk but that its use must be justified by a genuine need to manage for wildfires in specific circumstances. I would be interested to hear whether the bill strikes the right balance.

I recently visited Cannich and Corrimony and saw at first hand the devastation that took place there. It was interesting to see an area of peatland where the fire had basically skipped around it. The other thing that I thought was really interesting was that, on the hillside where there were mature trees, the fire stopped. You could see a line of burn, and the mature trees held it back.

I think that there is something in that, so I would be interested to hear in what ways the Scottish Government is looking to create, in the longer term, more wildfire-resilient landscapes as the climate changes. Will you commission further research on how peatland and other landscapes—those maturer landscapes—can act as natural firebreaks without the need for muirburn?