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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 November 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

Jonathan Belford, do you have anything to add on that?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

Steven Heddle has indicated that he would like to respond.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

Great, thanks for that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thank you.

I have a few more questions—the first is on council tax reform. It was great to get your letter yesterday. Before the summer, we were in this room together talking about the revaluation aspect of reform. We have the letter and understand that the consultation has been launched, although we were hoping that that might have happened sooner.

I am interested to hear about any more progress made on the research and the engagement that you have undertaken around council tax reform. For example, what have you found from the analysis by the Institute for Fiscal Studies, and what are your hopes for the launch of the consultation?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

Okay. Do you have a timescale?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

The next item on our agenda is an evidence-taking session with two panels of witnesses as part of our pre-budget scrutiny. For our first panel, we are joined in the room by Councillor Katie Hagmann, who is the resource spokesperson at the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities; Jonathan Belford, who is the chair of the directors of finance section at the Chartered Institute of Public Finance and Accountancy; and Alan Russell, who is representing the Society of Local Authority Chief Executives. We are joined online by Councillor Steven Heddle, who is the vice-president of COSLA.

I welcome everyone to the meeting. We have about 90 minutes for this discussion. There is no need for you to operate your microphones. We will direct our questions to Katie Hagmann and Steven Heddle, and they can direct them to others. As he is online, if Steven Heddle wants to come in on a question, I ask him to indicate that by putting an R in the chat function.

We will now move to questions, and I will start with a question that is specifically on the forthcoming budget. Something that has come up in our sessions so far has been the need for multiyear funding. Our witnesses may be aware that I questioned the First Minister about that during the conveners group meeting with him a few weeks ago, and I got assurances from him that that will be forthcoming. That is a positive step, but something else that I have picked up in our sessions is the need for flexibility. It is one thing to have multiyear funding but, while there has been a move towards more flexibility, I have also heard that there are still concerns in that space. I would be interested to hear the witnesses’ thoughts on that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

That concludes our questions. Thank you so much. It has been a useful discussion this morning. We have evolved. It used to be Katie Hagmann here on her own with some officials, but it is a good mix to have SOLACE and CIPFA and Councillor Heddle as well. It has been a splendid panel this morning. Thanks for joining us. I will now suspend for a few minutes to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

11:04 Meeting suspended.  

11:09 On resuming—  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

I asked the previous panel about the time pressures, given that the autumn budget is coming later, which has a knock-on effect on the Scottish Government budget coming in mid-January. I want to get your thoughts about the pressure on local authorities, given that the budget will come in mid-January and they will have to do things such as putting out council tax notices at the same time.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

Before I bring in Steven Heddle, I have a time management point for us all. We have asked about a third of our questions, but we have used up about two thirds of our time. We have about 40 minutes left, and I must ask for more succinct responses. Please indicate if you want to come in, and I will try to bring you in. It is not as if people are repeating what has been said—that has not been happening. Everything that has been said has been important; I just want to make sure that we are keeping to time as best we can.

Steven Heddle will come in on the IJBs, and then I will bring in Willie Coffey with some more transformation questions.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny

Meeting date: 28 October 2025

Ariane Burgess

So there is a need for a more nuanced understanding and for better information to be uncovered.

We will move on to the theme of—