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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 28 January 2026
Ariane Burgess
Thank you.
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 28 January 2026
Ariane Burgess
Okay—thank you, convener. I will see if I can cobble it together again. I was inspired by Alastair Hamilton’s point that the closure is not doing anything and Robin Cook’s follow-on point that it is not enhancing the stock.
Dr Cook, you said that the closed area is focused on spawning, but you asked whether that is the most effective way to protect spawning stocks. That inspired my question: what else could we be doing?
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 28 January 2026
Ariane Burgess
I want to dig into that a bit more, and then other people can come in. Are we using the right measure? If we took that measure away, what could we be doing to get us where we want to be—protecting the cod stock?
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 28 January 2026
Ariane Burgess
Do you have clear early warning signs in the plan, as well as the monitoring processes? Is there something in place that would trigger a new plan, or is there anything that would make you think, “That’s a red flag,” or, “That’s a warning sign that we’re not on track”?
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 28 January 2026
Ariane Burgess
Okay. The Scottish Agroecology Partnership—SAP—has pointed out that there are not really any opportunities in the forestry farming space for things like hedgerow planting. Are you looking into that?
Also, I remember being at the Royal Highland Show, where the Woodland Trust and others were presenting the idea of having trees on farms. Are we optimising that idea or that direction of travel? There is such an opportunity for farmland—I have been to a monitor farm near Grantown-on-Spey, where the farmer had his cattle grazing through a wonderful, quite old birch wood. Maybe we need to look into that kind of thing.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 28 January 2026
Ariane Burgess
Does that include continuous-cover forestry? Are you considering that as a possible approach?
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 28 January 2026
Ariane Burgess
As Tim Eagle touched on the first part of my question, I will move on to the other part of it. He asked about other sources of funding, and you have pointed out that you are looking at private finance. However, Future Economy Scotland warned us in evidence that the private finance market for peatland is “underdeveloped and untested” and that we might be
“delaying action … for an uncertain solution”—[Official Report, Rural Affairs and Islands Committee, 7 January 2026; c 4.]
later on. It also raised the practical point that peatland restoration is largely about avoiding emissions, so the demand for peatland credits might be weaker, and it pointed to, for example, tax-based approaches, zero-interest, income-contingent loans and that kind of thing. Is the Government looking at that, instead of just going for straight-up carbon credits and that kind of approach?
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 28 January 2026
Ariane Burgess
Is the carbon emissions land tax in that space?
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 28 January 2026
Ariane Burgess
I will come to Dr Cook in a moment, but I will start with Alastair Hamilton.
You said that the closure is not doing anything—in fact, Dr Cook said that it is not enhancing the stock. You said that the focus is a closed area for spawning but asked whether—I am paraphrasing you, because I cannot write that quickly—that is the most effective way to protect a spawning stock. What would another way be? From what I am hearing and from what I have read, this approach is not doing what we need it to do, which is to protect the cod and make sure that we have a future cod stock. What else could we be doing that might be better?
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 28 January 2026
Ariane Burgess
On a point of clarification, what kind of disturbance are we talking about? Is it disturbance from sound, from trawling, from contact with the bottom of the seabed or from something else?