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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 July 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Ariane Burgess

The committee will publish a report setting out its recommendation on the draft regulations in the coming days.

I will suspend the meeting briefly to allow the minister and his officials to leave before we move on to our next agenda item.

11:53 Meeting suspended.  

11:57 On resuming—  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Scottish Public Services Ombudsman: “Annual Report 2022-23”

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Ariane Burgess

Agenda item 2 is to take evidence on the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman’s annual report 2022-23. Rosemary Agnew is our ombudsman; Andrew Sheridan is the SPSO’s head of improvement, standards and engagement; and Niki Maclean is the SPSO’s director.

I invite Rosemary Agnew to make a short opening statement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Scottish Public Services Ombudsman: “Annual Report 2022-23”

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Ariane Burgess

I have a couple of questions around the public petition relating to the SPSO, which the Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee is considering. Among other things, the petition calls for an independent review to

“establish whether the current legislation governing the SPSO is fit for purpose.”

Given that you are also pushing for legislative change, I would be interested to hear whether you agree that, 20 years after the legislation to set up the SPSO, a review might be required. If so, who do you think should conduct that review?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Scottish Public Services Ombudsman: “Annual Report 2022-23”

Meeting date: 5 December 2023

Ariane Burgess

That is certainly a good point: not everybody complains, but there are people who are sitting on something with which they could really do with some help and support. Thanks for unpacking that a bit. It was very helpful.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2023

Ariane Burgess

I am glad that it is being considered somewhere.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2023

Ariane Burgess

We have been asking questions about the four objectives of agricultural policy. I come back to the word “regenerative”, and the tensions that my colleague Kate Forbes brought up.

One thing in particular struck me when I was looking at the four objectives. Taking a broad-brush definition of “regenerative”, my understanding of why producers have moved away from talking about sustainable practice is that, given that nature has degraded so much and we are facing such massive issues around meeting our climate emissions targets, simply sustaining our practices is no longer possible, so we need to be doing regenerative agriculture. My understanding of that is that it means practising a form of agriculture that supports the natural environment to regenerate, while meeting human needs.

It is interesting to me that that is set out as a separate thing. I would have thought that regenerative agriculture policy practices would give us high-quality food and lead to nature restoration and climate mitigation and adaptation—you spoke to that a little bit—and would support enabling rural communities to thrive.

I would like to hear a bit about your thinking around regenerative agriculture. I know that you want to keep the objectives broad for possible changes, depending on circumstances in the future, but I want to understand how you see that objective connecting to all the policies that underpin it.

My colleague Kate Forbes referred to sustainable agriculture in a way that implied economic sustainability. We really need to be talking about sustainable and regenerative agriculture in terms of what we are doing for nature restoration and for climate adaptation and mitigation.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2023

Ariane Burgess

It says in our papers:

“Ministers may amend the plan if strategic priorities change or the plan becomes inaccurate or incomplete”.

We have already discussed the need for flexibility in the face of the climate and nature emergency, but I just wanted to hear how you have thought that need through. What kinds of things would trigger the review of a plan? I just want to understand your thinking in that respect.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2023

Ariane Burgess

I will follow on from Rhoda Grant’s questions on the public interest. Is that in writing anywhere? Is there a set of criteria for what is in the public interest?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2023

Ariane Burgess

It would not get there. Perhaps that was not the best example, but what I am trying to get at is that the direction of travel that we need to go in involves regenerative practices and supporting nature and climate mitigation and adaptation, so if somebody were to apply to a support scheme, I imagine that a criterion under the scheme would be to ensure that people were not continuing with practices in the opposite direction to what was sought to be achieved through the objectives.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2023

Ariane Burgess

It seems to me that we will need to get that sorted out, if it is the basis on which people will get payments. As you have said, practices have changed.