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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 November 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

That was the last public item of our agenda. We agreed to take the next items in private, so that concludes the public part of our meeting.

12:20 Meeting continued in private until 12:48.  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Good morning, and welcome to the 22nd meeting in 2025 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. I remind all members and witnesses to ensure that their devices are on silent. Fulton MacGregor MSP will join us online.

The first item on our agenda is a decision on whether to take items 5 to 7 in private. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

That is great. As you said at the beginning of your opening statement, it is an iterative journey. On co-operation, last week, the committee had witnesses from East Ayrshire Council and Aberdeen City Council. In both cases, there was quite a lot of co-operation happening, but concern has been voiced that there was a lack of co-operation between Government, local authorities and health boards in developing the plan and that that could risk plans working against each other. How do you imagine supporting co-operation in areas where local authority and national health service board boundaries are different?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Were the guidelines the ones that were published in March this year?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

We know that some local authorities have been in the space for some time. I think that we heard from East Ayrshire Council that it has been doing this work for 20 or 21 years already. There is nothing to stop local authorities that are busy with the food journey, or whatever we are calling it, but when section 10 commences, it will trigger a requirement for them to create plans that have specific elements. Will that also trigger the financial resources to help local authorities with the engagement and the consultation that they will have to do on those plans?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

There has been quite a bit of conversation about there being money for the plans for local authorities, but there are concerns about whether it is the same for implementation. I take your point—which you have mentioned a few times in other places—that it is not until there are plans that you can look at resource and funding for implementation. However, have you done any calculations? Have you looked at what it might cost a local authority to deliver a plan?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Just on that, before I bring in Mark Griffin, does the Government intend to look into that situation, to learn and understand why there had been a local supplier but the contract moved to a different supplier, and what needs to happen to support SMEs that may have got a contract but then lost it?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Good Food Nation Plan

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

We have a few more questions and the next one is about the third sector. Your colleague Ivan McKee introduced the public service reform strategy, which talks about the third sector being a key delivery partner. However, we have heard from Age Scotland that the national good food plan, which was worked on before the public service reform strategy, or in parallel with it

“fails to mention any of the contributions made by local community charitable groups and third sector organisations and the services and support they offer to communities.”

I am interested in understanding whether that is an oversight and whether there is an intention to revise the plan and acknowledge those organisations and services further.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

The next item on our agenda is to take evidence as part of our scrutiny of the Scottish budget 2026-27. Malcolm Burr, chief executive of Comhairle nan Eilean Siar, joins us in the room. We are joined online by Nikki Bridle, chief executive of Clackmannanshire Council; Thomas Glen, chief executive of Perth and Kinross Council; Ken Gourlay, chief executive of Fife Council; and Dr Dawn Roberts, chief executive of Dumfries and Galloway Council. I welcome our witnesses to the meeting. We have around 90 minutes for our discussion. There is no need for you to operate your microphones. Members will try to direct their questions to specific witnesses in the first instance. However, if you wish to contribute, please indicate to me or to the clerks, or do so online by typing R in the chat.

I will begin the questions, and I will bring you all in for this first one. As I said when we were in private session, Malcolm, we will probably end up picking on you a lot, as you are the only one in the room. I will initially aim the question to you, and we will then go round everybody online.

It is a broad question. What are the main challenges facing the comhairle, and what would you like to see in the Scottish budget to help to address them?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 9 September 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thanks very much for that, Nikki. It is interesting to hear your point about the distribution mechanisms not working for a local authority of your size on the mainland.

Ken Gourlay, you indicated that you would like to come in.