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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 27 September 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

Before I bring in John Boyle, who has indicated that he wants to speak, I note that we have some special rural-focused questions for Anna Gardiner later, so she should not feel that she needs to address those issues now. I know that she can give a rural perspective, and those questions will be coming up right after this.

John Blackwood and Timothy Douglas have said that there is an issue with supply. It would be interesting to get information on that, and we will discuss data and how we can track things later. It is also helpful to understand that the bill sits within a wider piece of work, which is called the “Housing to 2040” strategy, and there is a commitment to introduce other things to address supply. As I said at the beginning, the bill has a particular focus on ensuring that people have a safe, secure and affordable place to live.

I will bring in John Boyle.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

I will ask my second question, because we have started to get into other areas here. This is specifically for Hearthstone Investments and Dowbrae Ltd. You have both made the point that rent controls can be workable, so I would be interested to hear more detail from you both on how rent controls could be acceptable to institutional investors.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

Cedric Bucher, what is your perspective from Hearthstone Investments?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

I will bring in Timothy Douglas, then we will have to move to question 3, because we have taken half an hour over the first two questions.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

I will bring in John Boyle, and then I will move on to Miles Briggs.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

That is very helpful. I want to come back to John Boyle, who has used the term “cap and collar” a couple of times. Could you unpack what you mean? That might be an industry expression, and I want to make sure that everybody understands what you mean by it.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

I am sure that it will come back to you. We will have to move on, because we are getting very tight on time. I will extend the time for this panel by 20 to 25 minutes.

Mark, do you have more questions?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

Thank you very much, that brings us to the end of our questions. I appreciate your coming in. We have run over time a bit, but it was important to hear all your points. If there is anything else that you think we have not had time to cover, please feel free to write to the committee on those points.

11:14 Meeting suspended.  

11:20 On resuming—  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

I welcome to the meeting our second panel of witnesses. We are joined in the room by Lisa Mallon, who is a housing manager at the City of Edinburgh Council; Derek McGowan, who is service director for housing and homelessness at the City of Edinburgh Council; and Jennifer Sheddan, who is head of housing at Glasgow City Council. We are joined online by Kelly Ferns, who is a research and development officer at Argyll and Bute Council; and Ally Macleod, who is head of housing and building standards at Aberdeenshire Council.

We will try to direct questions as much as possible to specific witnesses initially. However, if you would like to come in, please indicate that clearly to me or to the clerks. If you are online, you should do that by typing R in the chat function. There is no need for you to operate your microphone; that will be done for you.

I will begin with rent. This question is for everybody, if you have something new and different to add to what somebody else has said. What are your views on the rent control areas provisions in the bill and how they might have an impact on councils? Do you think that rent controls being introduced in areas would lead to rent stabilisation?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Housing (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2024

Ariane Burgess

Okay. Does anybody else want to give their view on the rent control areas provisions and whether controls that are in place in areas will lead to rent stabilisation?