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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 27 September 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Councillors’ Remuneration and Expenses (Recommendations)

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Ariane Burgess

I briefly suspend the meeting to allow the cabinet secretary to leave the room before we move on to our final public agenda item.

11:28 Meeting suspended.  

11:28 On resuming—  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Ariane Burgess

The next item on our agenda is consideration of a negative instrument. There is no requirement for the committee to make any recommendations on negative instruments. If there are no comments on the instrument, is the committee agreed that we do not wish to make any recommendations in relation to the instrument?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Ariane Burgess

We agreed to take the next agenda item in private so I now close the public part of the meeting.

11:29 Meeting continued in private until 11:55.  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Councillors’ Remuneration and Expenses (Recommendations)

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Ariane Burgess

In the previous evidence session, we discussed with the witnesses the timing of things and the working relationship between SLARC, COSLA and the Scottish Government. They started their work at the beginning of April 2023 and said that it was very positive and very engaged, but quite quickly, towards the end of April, things changed. That timing was around the announcement of the council tax freeze. Could you share with us what happened there? The relationship was good, and then they had a sense that there was less engagement from the Scottish Government.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Councillors’ Remuneration and Expenses (Recommendations)

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Ariane Burgess

Thank you very much for that outline.

I have an initial question on the timing of the SLARC report. It was published in mid-February, but what we have just heard from our previous panel comprising members of SLARC and COSLA was that it could have been published sooner. It could have been published in December, but the committee was under the impression that it had the time to continue to refine it.

In addition to that piece of the puzzle, we are also interested in the fact that, although the report was published in mid-February, it took the Scottish Government until July to publish its response. Why was that?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Councillors’ Remuneration and Expenses (Recommendations)

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Ariane Burgess

Yes. As you said in response to Fulton MacGregor’s questions, that is something that the review group could potentially take forward in terms of shifting public perceptions.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Councillors’ Remuneration and Expenses (Recommendations)

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Ariane Burgess

Roughly when did you start in April? Was it towards the beginning or the end?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Councillors’ Remuneration and Expenses (Recommendations)

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Ariane Burgess

You started at a time where there was a change in leadership in the Government, which might have had an impact.

Pam, do you have more questions?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Councillors’ Remuneration and Expenses (Recommendations)

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Ariane Burgess

Thank you for shining a light on that. I will now bring in Miles Briggs.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Councillors’ Remuneration and Expenses (Recommendations)

Meeting date: 17 September 2024

Ariane Burgess

Our second panel this morning is Shona Robison, the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and Local Government, and Fiona Campbell, who is a local government strategy manager in the Scottish Government. I welcome the cabinet secretary and Ms Campbell to the meeting.

Before we turn to the committee’s questions, I invite the cabinet secretary to make a short opening statement.