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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 September 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Planning Framework 4: Annual Review

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

I want to dig into that a bit. You said that there are things that we can quantify. Will you give us a couple of examples?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Planning Framework 4: Annual Review

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

I want to move on to the climate and biodiversity elements of NPF4, which people were excited about, and which Pamela Clifford has already mentioned.

The committee has heard concerns that a lack of guidance on assessing the climate and biodiversity impacts of new developments is hampering the delivery of NPF4 policy goals in those areas. Do you share those concerns? If that is the case, why is it taking so long to produce the guidance? Why was it not ready for the launch of the policies?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Planning Framework 4: Annual Review

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

I have a question for you on that very subject, which I will put to you shortly.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Planning Framework 4: Annual Review

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

The Government has at last recognised that final point about reusing existing buildings, and there was £40 million in the most recent budget for local authorities that have declared housing emergencies as well as an increase in the budget for empty homes officers from £0.5 million to £2 million. That is a good sign.

One of the challenges with using existing buildings concerns VAT on retrofit, about which everybody just nods their head and says, “Our hands are tied.” That does not make sense when we need to use our existing buildings.

I will now move on. I ask Meghan Gallacher to ask all her questions, and then I will bring in Alexander Stewart.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Planning Framework 4: Annual Review

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

That is very helpful. I have a follow-up question. Some of the written evidence has highlighted situations in which ancient woodland is being cut down in order to develop housing. As Neil Sutherland said very clearly at the start of the meeting, the challenge is in how to deal with both the nature emergency and the housing emergency. Do you have a sense that there is an understanding in planning departments that if you cut down ancient woodland, which serves as a considerable climate and biodiversity resource—it sequesters carbon—it is irreplaceable? Replacing it with a few trees here and there is not a like-for-like replacement. What are your thoughts on that?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Planning Framework 4: Annual Review

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thanks for that. Yes, that is a nice challenge about how we re-envision Scotland to be more regenerative, with local supply chains, and how we build places and repair ecosystems using a collaborative approach.

That sounds good, so let us do it. If NPF4 provides the underpinning or framework for that, that is good news. We started with Caroline Brown talking about how planning takes time—and change will take time. It is good to get a sense check today on the piece of work that we have been doing. We are considering doing a focused piece of work on local place plans later in the year to unearth the good work that is being done by communities in that regard.

That concludes our questions. I thank our witnesses for joining us this morning and for their evidence.

11:35 Meeting suspended.  

11:38 On resuming—  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Planning Framework 4: Annual Review

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

Does anybody want to take that? Pamela Clifford will start.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Planning Framework 4: Annual Review

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

Does anybody online want to give us a bit of direction on that, too?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Planning Framework 4: Annual Review

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

That makes me think about the really great work that took place in Dumfries with the Stove Network, which is an arts network that was employed to engage the community on what it wanted for the future of Dumfries town centre. It gave rise to the Midsteeple Quarter, which is one of my favourite community-led mixed-use projects. Perhaps planners and the arts and culture sector could get together and find ways to interpret things.

Neil Sutherland, I loved that you said that NPF4 is a great read and has a great story to tell, but, for some people, it is not written in the language that they use, so we need to think about how we can make it accessible to them. The Stove Network was right there, in front of people, using engaging processes and artistic experiments to get people thinking about their community.

Clare Symonds, I think that you have already spoken on this topic, but do you want to say anything else?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Planning Framework 4: Annual Review

Meeting date: 17 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

You mentioned the need to be able to interrogate the policy writers. “Interrogate” is quite a strong word. However, do you think that the Government should perhaps roll out a session that would create an opportunity to discuss things with the people who have written the policies? That could be similar to the sessions that Planning Democracy and Action to Protect Rural Scotland have held, where, for 90 minutes or a couple of hours, there is a show-and-tell and people can ask questions. All 33 of the policies could be covered, as well as, potentially, the national policy. There seems to be a bit of a void—there is a lot of wondering going on.