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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 September 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Interests

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

Good morning, and welcome to the 20th meeting in 2025 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. I remind all members and witnesses to ensure that their devices are on silent. Mark Griffin and Fulton MacGregor join us online, and I welcome Evelyn Tweed to the committee. I extend the committee’s thanks to Emma Roddick for her work on the committee.

Our first item of business is to invite Evelyn Tweed to declare any relevant interests.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Planning Framework 4: Annual Review

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

Okay, but my question was about monitoring and assessing the framework, so do you have detail on that? I know that we are totally in the settling-in period—we have heard that clearly in previous evidence sessions—but what is the Government’s system for monitoring and assessment?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Planning Framework 4: Annual Review

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

In the monitoring and assessment work that the Government is doing, could you look at that factor—that planning conditions are not being complied with?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Planning Framework 4: Annual Review

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

I will pick up on that point. A number of times, you mentioned stalled sites and your efforts to understand why work is not being taken forward on a significant amount of land that has planning permission. Are you in a position to tell us what you are discovering? You mentioned that resource is an issue.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Planning Framework 4: Annual Review

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

That is helpful. The issue has certainly come up in other areas of our work and in our evidence sessions, so it is good to hear that you are doing that work. The committee would be interested to see the conclusion of that work, when you get to it.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Planning Framework 4: Annual Review

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

It is about seeing what the blockages are and whether there are patterns in that. How often is it a transport issue? How often is it a section 75 issue? We want to understand that.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Planning Framework 4: Annual Review

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

Great. We look forward to seeing what you come up with.

I will go online and bring in Mark Griffin.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Planning Framework 4: Annual Review

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

That concludes our questions. It has been a useful discussion; it has been great to hear the Government’s position on guidance and to get into some of the details. The fact that a certain number of sites already have planning permission and you are looking into why that is not translating into housing being built on the ground is interesting.

I thank the minister and his officials for their evidence.

10:48 Meeting continued in private until 12:07.  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Planning Framework 4: Annual Review

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

That concludes our questions, but I will pick up on a few threads, if you do not mind. Fulton MacGregor asked about dynamic documents. As I understand it, RTPI has said that its members and planners in general are finding that, although NPF4 is an unchanging document, many different bits of guidance pop up, so navigating and keeping track of them is a challenge. The metaphor that I use is that it is like walking through a field after a rainstorm and seeing all the mushrooms that have popped up: work is being done on a mycelial Government network and lots of things have appeared, but it is unclear how they link to each other. My sense is that the RTPI is asking for a dashboard or a way of organising all the materials in one place so that it is easy to see it all and where it has been updated. What are your thoughts on that?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Planning Framework 4: Annual Review

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

My concern is that it would add another layer, in that there would be a requirement to set up a board. I think that Orkney Islands Council has demonstrated a good approach, which is to say, “We are going to set up this board. We are going to do this, get the funding and support the local place plan, rather than creating something new.” I am concerned that we will start to create lots of different streams of activity in communities where we do not have the capacity to manage it all.

When the Dunoon Community Development Trust produced its local place plan, it realised that it needed to create a community action plan. It is interesting that that work has triggered activity beyond the spatial plan. The committee identified early on that there is a connection between what is needed for spatial planning, public services and support for communities. That is quite interesting.

Finally, I want to take us back to the beginning of the conversation. Minister, earlier, you were talking about the fact that there are a certain number of sites that have planning permission. I do not think that the Government can necessarily rule on that but, as an example, I was speaking to a development trust in Highland, which pointed out that, in its area, there were 53 small sites where a private developer had received planning permission for a personal home that was not built, which means that there are 53 houses that could be being built but are not being built. You are all nodding your heads—as you know, one house in a community in rural Scotland can make the difference in keeping a community alive. Is there anything that can be done in the guidance or to create a culture of support for local authorities to somehow find a way to put those sites back into the mix so that communities could take a project forward?