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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 20 September 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Planning Framework 4: Annual Review

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

It was helpful to get a couple of examples of where masterplan consent areas might be used.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

Under agenda item 2, do members agree to take agenda items 4 and 5 in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Planning Framework 4: Annual Review

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

The next item of business is to take evidence as part of our annual review of the operation of the fourth national planning framework. We will take evidence from the Minister for Public Finance, Ivan McKee. The minister is joined by Scottish Government officials: Cara Davidson, head of environment and net zero; Andy Kinnaird, head of transforming planning; Fiona Simpson, chief planner and director of planning, architecture and regeneration; and Carrie Thomson, head of development, planning and housing. I welcome the witnesses to the meeting. We have about 90 minutes for the discussion.

I am interested to hear an outline of how the Scottish Government is monitoring the effect of the NPF4 policies on the type and location of developments in Scotland and assessing whether they are meeting the policy priorities, such as compact urban growth and rural revitalisation. Those are examples, but you could speak about others.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Planning Framework 4: Annual Review

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

Okay, that is great. Do you bring together stakeholder groups on different issues because something flares up, or do you have those in place and monitor things as you go along?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Planning Framework 4: Annual Review

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

You mentioned that guidance has been issued, but the committee has heard in evidence that there is a lack of guidance on the assessment of climate and biodiversity impacts and of new developments and that that has been hampering the delivery of NPF4 policy goals in those areas. We are aware that climate adaptation guidance has just been published but that it took more than two years to prepare and that the biodiversity guidance is still not ready. When can we expect that guidance?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Planning Framework 4: Annual Review

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

That sounds helpful and useful.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Planning Framework 4: Annual Review

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

On resource and the time that it has taken for this work to be done, it is great to hear that you are collaborating with NatureScot, but the committee has heard that there are very limited numbers of staff working on the guidance. Therefore, we seek assurance that additional resources can be allocated so that we can speed up delivery, particularly around biodiversity but maybe in other areas, too, as things come forward, as you say, Ivan.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Planning Framework 4: Annual Review

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

We are also hearing that there are issues with the biodiversity policy not filtering down to ground-level action. That can happen in relation to what a local authority is doing on the ground, all the way through to decisions that are taken in planning.

For example, it has come up in quite a few conversations that some local authorities think that it is okay to destroy ancient woodland and replace it with new planting. Therefore, we are not getting the weighting right there. How can we convey in guidance that destroying an ancient woodland is a matter of great concern and has far more weight in relation to the climate response than planting a few new trees, which will not do the heavy lifting that we need for our climate emissions?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Planning Framework 4: Annual Review

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

Meghan Gallacher, did you want to ask a supplementary question?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

National Planning Framework 4: Annual Review

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Ariane Burgess

Great. I am glad that you checked that out. Clearly, there are some areas of the Scottish Government’s website that you could get lost in for a long time, and not quite find what you are looking for.