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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 November 2025
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

Good morning and welcome to the seventh meeting in 2025 of the Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee. I remind all members and witnesses to ensure that their devices are switched to silent.

Our first agenda item is a decision on whether to take items 4 and 5 in private. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee [Draft]

Council Tax

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thank you very much for that. Certainly, the point about political will came up quite strongly in our previous sessions on the issue. I will direct my second question to Katie Hagmann. In its letter to the committee, COSLA states its intention to work with council leaders to develop cross-party support for reform. Given the political make-up of Scotland’s councils and the wide range of views, how do you intend to approach that?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

As there are no comments, does the committee agree that we do not wish to make any recommendations in relation to the instruments?

Members indicated agreement.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

Before I bring in Fulton MacGregor with the next few questions, I note that Katie Hagmann just mentioned—and, throughout the meeting, we have talked about—modelling that will take place imminently. Would you be willing to share with the committee the modelling and the analysis of it?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

We heard in the previous evidence session that it might take three years from the beginning of the next parliamentary session to put something in place, so it sounds like a good idea to do some work up front to ensure that we can move forward at the beginning of session 7.

Have you, in your collaboration, kept in mind that an election is coming up, that manifestos are being written and so on? Are you considering that in your timeline? Katie, did you want to come in here?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

In response to my first question, Shona Robison said that the 2015 commission on local tax reform had some good recommendations but did not propose anything specific. How much you are going to look at those recommendations as part of the process, rather than reinventing the wheel?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

It is good to hear that you recognise that.

I will move on and bring in other members.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

On your comment about people’s reactions to tax, we are, in a way, in an unfortunate situation. In thinking about how we become a modern and progressive Scotland, we often look to the Nordic countries, but what they show is that taxation is really important for all the public services that make life good for everybody. Perhaps, as part of the process of considering the council tax, we have an opportunity to give people a better understanding of what it actually does.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

That is interesting. As you say, income tax comes out of people’s wages, so they must see it, but there is something about council tax that makes it very prominent. Having reflected on our previous evidence sessions, I wonder whether it is because council tax has a historical link to the poll tax, which was so controversial. Perhaps that is it. Shona Robison, do you have anything to add?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Council Tax

Meeting date: 4 March 2025

Ariane Burgess

I will pick up on the scope of the engagement. The idea of percentages came up at our meeting on 18 February. Would you consider talking to people about that? There are challenges with that idea and no one is necessarily advocating it, but what was said during that meeting suggests that a percentage system could be more proportionate and potentially fairer than the current banding system.

Would you be prepared to open up the engagement process to include discussion of that idea, so that people can understand that banding is not the only option? It might be the one that we end up with, but there could be other options.