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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 June 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

I have a general comment. Colleagues have mentioned that there are two elements to the instrument. That has happened before, when the beef suckler scheme and good environmental status were conflated because the instrument was about compliance. I would appreciate it if the cabinet secretary acknowledged that the committee will be looking at a lot of SSIs and that, when two issues are put together and there is one issue on which we would like to do something different, that makes it very difficult for us to do our work. I want to put it out there that the cabinet secretary could bear that in mind when she introduces SSIs, because it would make it easier for us to address the issues that we really need to address.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

I want to ask about the soil sampling part of the national test programme. It is good to hear that there is more uptake, but I am aware that not everyone is sampling their soil. I have become aware that we might need something like a pathway for people who are beginning; there are other people who are much deeper into soil sampling. What support will there be for that? As you know, we amended the Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill to recognise that we need to support farmers to look at soil biology. Will that come into the national test programme, or will it be part of the direction of travel within the whole-farm plans?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

That would be welcome. Thank you.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

You said that getting information on effort and information on a river-by-river basis will take time. Are we talking about a few years?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 22 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thank you.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thank you very much for that.

You mentioned the UK Government’s letter to the committee in your opening statement. If you could provide more detail, I would be interested in understanding what decisions you need the UK Government to make in order to progress your legislative plans. What indication has the UK Government given of the planned timing of those decisions, and how dependent on that are your plans for introducing the bill?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

That is great. Did anything come up from the consultation on damp and mould? There has been quite a bit of concern about the move to a fabric-first approach, and I have heard horrific stories from people in my region who have had insulation installed by people who might not have been properly certified, which has resulted in an increase in damp and mould. Are you taking that into account?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

It is helpful to know that you are aware of the issue. We can look into it ourselves.

That brings us to the end of our questions. I thank the witnesses for coming to give evidence, which has been very helpful.

The one bit that has not been so helpful is that we have not got a timeline for the proposed bill. That matters to us so that we can plan our work programme, so we would appreciate hearing about the timeline as soon as possible. I take your point that you have had a lot of analysis work to do, and I get the sense that there are quite a lot of technical considerations, given the complexity of the diverse array of buildings in Scotland.

I briefly suspend the meeting to allow the witnesses to leave the room.

11:25 Meeting suspended.  

11:27 On resuming—  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

We previously agreed to take the next items in private, so I close the public part of the meeting.

11:28 Meeting continued in private until 11:56.  

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Retrofitting of Housing for Net Zero

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Ariane Burgess

Fulton MacGregor asked whether the move to five-year carbon budgets will have an impact on the expected level of ambition for emission reductions through heat in buildings, which you mentioned. About 20 per cent of our emissions come from housing. Will the shift in how we measure things have an impact, or will you keep doing what you are doing?