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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 24 September 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

I want to come back in on the letter from Donna Smith of the Scottish Crofting Federation. It has been mentioned before, but something about trust is coming up for me, because we had the beef suckler scheme calving interval SSI, which was quite a last-minute thing; lots of information came up at the last minute, and then we had to vote in the chamber on it.

Minister, you said that you wished you had heard from the Crofting Federation sooner on the issues that it is raising. So, for me, there is something about trust and a question about what you can do. I know that you will meet Donna Smith, but it seems that there needs to be something built in for the long term, because it is not the first time that more proactiveness on the part of the Government in reaching out to the Scottish Crofting Federation and the crofting community has been needed. I am sure that you try to reach out until you are blue in the face, and I am sure that you do site visits to crofting communities to see what it is like on the ground and to understand the challenges that we learned about, such as those around bringing a bull in if the ferry does not work, so that you really have that understanding in the co-design phase.

However, for me, it is about trust. I feel that trust has been broken and I want to understand what you think you can do. You will have that first meeting with Donna Smith, we hope, but we need to not be in this position again, being concerned that small producers are being overlooked. That engagement must be on-going.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

There is something to be done in the development of SSIs. You heard the convener ask that we get plenty of notice ahead of the work that we will be doing in the autumn and the winter. I imagine that it is hard for small organisations that do not have a lot of resource to track what is coming. It is about letting people come in early on in the process.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

We understand, from the First Minister’s announcement a few weeks ago, the split that we have been discussing this morning between tier 1 and tier 2, but there are two other tiers, tier 3 and tier 4. Will you outline briefly where we are with those? What are they and where are you at in that process?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

I do not think that any of the committee members is afraid of technical matters. Sometimes, a bit of detail colours our understanding. We get out to meet farmers, so it is helpful to get a bit of an illustration of what you are working on.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

It is going to exist, but it could be consigned to digital dust or whatever. It could be stuck on a website with no one engaging with it. What is your plan to get people to engage with it, think about it and understand it? Otherwise, it is just a code for the sake of having a code, which does not really do anything.

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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

But how are they going to engage with it?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

Thanks.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

Okay, but I am asking specifically about the code of practice for sustainable and regenerative agriculture and the co-design work on that. When you meet the red meat resilience group, FAST or the NFUS, what issues and concerns are coming up? We have legislated for a shift to regenerative agriculture. It would be interesting for us to understand what is coming up that is helping you to shape the code and to understand that you need to create more spaces for understanding for farmers, more peer-to-peer knowledge transfer and that kind of thing. I see James Muldoon nodding his head a lot.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

That is helpful. In the work that you have been doing, have small-scale producers raised issues? The committee has seen various SSIs for schemes in which small-scale producers have felt that they are not fully considered, because they do not have animals or arable land on the right scale. Has that issue come up in the context of the shift towards regenerative agriculture?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Ariane Burgess

You said that farmers need to select two plans from a list that includes a carbon plan and a habitats report. Is there enough support in place for them to undertake those plans? Will you describe that support?