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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 February 2026
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Gillian Mackay

Despite there being significant gaps in social care data, there is no requirement in the bill for care boards to collect data or report on performance. What data should be collected to inform social care reform and the development of a national care service? I know that that is like asking, “How long is a piece of string?” but your thoughts would be greatly appreciated. I will come to Kay McVeigh first.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Gillian Mackay

I want to come back to something that Tracey Dalling and Mary Alexander mentioned earlier. We know that adherence to fair work principles by employers should be monitored, and that social care employers do not always uphold their responsibilities to their staff. How could the bill be strengthened in relation to oversight and regulation? What specific provisions, if any, would you like it to include in order to strengthen oversight or in relation to consequences for employers that do not uphold their end of the bargain?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 November 2022

Gillian Mackay

Yes. There are concerns that “community healthcare” is not defined in the bill. Colin Poolman just alluded to the fact that services and professions should be able to speak to one another and work together easily. What services and professions should come under the heading of community healthcare?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Gillian Mackay

Good morning. I ask Alison White to answer this question first, if that is okay. How can the bill help to deliver on the recommendations of the Christie commission? We have heard concerns this morning about a lack of detail regarding prevention and early intervention. What would you like to be included?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Gillian Mackay

Good morning, Mr Feeley. In your work on the independent review of adult social care, you took evidence from service users and people who work in social care. There will obviously be a lot of workstreams from within the bill and on co-designing services. How will we ensure that it is sustainable for people to maintain input and participation in co-design, given the number of workstreams? How will we ensure that the work is coherent across the piece and that it does not fatigue the voices of really important stakeholders who, perhaps, have only small teams working behind them?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Gillian Mackay

Earlier this week, I had a meeting with Alison Bavidge about social work within the NCS bill, and she usefully described social workers as the GPs of social care. I am interested in hearing your thoughts on how we ensure through the bill that social work, rather than continuing to deliver small things, gets back to the holistic cross-wellbeing view that social workers would like to see—a restoration of the profession, if you like.

Obviously, social work is an area that is heavily based on legislation, and the bill is another piece of legislation to add to the spectrum. I would like to hear your thoughts on how we ensure that we get back to a cross-issue view, rather than delivering pieces of justice, and how we do investigative work and other things in looking at the whole wellbeing piece.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Gillian Mackay

Thanks, convener. I apologise to everyone; I have to go to the Parliamentary Bureau in a couple of minutes.

My question is particularly for Councillor Kelly. You referenced geographical variation around delivery, but there is also geographical variation around terms and conditions and working conditions for staff. How would you like that to be strengthened in the bill?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Gillian Mackay

If there is anything specific going on in councils, it would be really useful for the committee to hear about that.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Gillian Mackay

I appreciate that. Some of this is absolutely about resource but, as you referenced earlier, it is also about culture, which does not always need pounds behind it. What is being done by COSLA to improve the culture in which people work?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Gillian Mackay

I appreciate the work that is being done at joint ministerial working group level and all that sort of thing, but what work is being done at COSLA level to make sure that good terms and conditions exist? One thing that is being looked at in the creation of the national care service is making terms and conditions consistent across the country. What is being done in relation to the services that are delivered by local authorities to ensure that terms and conditions and working conditions are consistent across the country? Also, what is being done where services are contracted out by councils? The variations are wild, in some places.