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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 February 2026
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Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Energy Performance Certificates (Reform)

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Meghan Gallacher

We hope to complete the Housing (Scotland) Bill this evening. We also have legislation on building standards, a heat in buildings bill—although we are vastly running out of time to look at that legislation—and EPC reform. It is all happening at the same time. Is there a danger that we are overlegislating at present? What impact will all those things running at the same time have on landlords and tenants who are navigating this very complex system? They will have to understand what the legislative and regulatory changes mean, as well as deal with the associated costs. I know that that is a very wide question.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Energy Performance Certificates (Reform)

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Meghan Gallacher

My final point does not relate directly to the EPC, but it forms part of the wider discussion. At some point, a heat in buildings bill should come through the Scottish Parliament. We do not have much time left between now and the end of this parliamentary session, but there should be a discussion of the issue, as the Government has outlined. I seek your views on how the regulations fit in with the forthcoming heat in buildings bill, from what you know or are aware of.

In relation to legislation in general, the Parliament will be debating the Housing (Scotland) Bill later today, there will then be the heat in buildings bill, and there is EPC reform. Do you think that we are overlegislating? Are we trying to do too much at the one time?

I know that that is a huge question. I do not know who wants to pick that up.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Energy Performance Certificates (Reform)

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Meghan Gallacher

That is helpful. Thank you all very much.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Energy Performance Certificates (Reform)

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Meghan Gallacher

That is helpful. I raised issues with the previous witnesses regarding rural properties and the significant challenges—bespoke challenges, in some instances—that they pose, given the type and structure of housing and the age of the properties that are involved. It is usually very challenging for home owners to get those properties up to current EPC standards without substantial additional costs. We have discussed a great deal how the initial costs might yield a benefit in future years, but there is a question whether the up-front cost is affordable for people. How challenging do you think that EPC reform and any other pieces of legislation that are coming down the track will be for the rural landscape?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Energy Performance Certificates (Reform)

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Meghan Gallacher

That is helpful.

John Blackwood, to go back to Scottish-UK Government workings, would a more aligned approach to EPC reform make things easier for landlords who work across the country?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Energy Performance Certificates (Reform)

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Meghan Gallacher

That is helpful.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Energy Performance Certificates (Reform)

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Meghan Gallacher

Good morning to the witnesses. The danger of going last is that a lot of what you want to discuss has already been discussed. However, I have not heard from David Jenkins and Gillian Campbell specifically on the EPC validity time period being reduced from 10 years to five years. It would be helpful to hear their views on the reduction in the timeframe.

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Energy Performance Certificates (Reform)

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Meghan Gallacher

I will start with questions on the EPC validity time period. It is proposed that the period will reduce from 10 years to five years. John Blackwood, I hope that you do not mind, but I raised the concerns that the Scottish Association of Landlords has about the reduction with the previous panel. I will put my question to you first. What would you like to see changed in the proposed timeframe? Should we be sticking with 10 years or should we be following the alternative proposal that has been outlined?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Energy Performance Certificates (Reform)

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Meghan Gallacher

Thank you. Bryan Leask, do you have any comments on the reduction in the validity timeframe?

Local Government, Housing and Planning Committee

Energy Performance Certificates (Reform)

Meeting date: 30 September 2025

Meghan Gallacher

I agree. Scottish Land & Estates and other stakeholders have called for a rural impact assessment. You are right: if we are to go down the route of such assessments, they have to be meaningful and all those aspects must be explored. Again, your answers leave a lot of unanswered questions, but it was good to hear your thoughts.

I move on to the workings of the UK and Scottish Governments. Should there be closer working between them on EPC reform? Would that be better for landlords who have properties across the UK, to ensure some uniformity? What needs to happen to ensure that implementation is successful? I do not know whether Bryan Leask or John Blackwood wants to come in first.