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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 6 November 2025
Stephen Kerr
During the time that you have been cabinet secretary, how many times did you meet Hugh Hall in his role as chairman of HES?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 6 November 2025
Stephen Kerr
I am sorry, but he does not need to explain it to me.
09:15Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 6 November 2025
Stephen Kerr
Right, I will move on.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 6 November 2025
Stephen Kerr
I think that you will find that you have never had such a meeting with Hugh Hall.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 6 November 2025
Stephen Kerr
You would surely remember whether, in four and a half years, you had met the chairman of HES.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 6 November 2025
Stephen Kerr
I do. You do not have to explain it to me.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 6 November 2025
Stephen Kerr
Before you answer, I note that last week a board member sat in that very seat and said something quite different from what we are hearing this morning.
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 6 November 2025
Stephen Kerr
Is she back to work permanently? Can you tell us that much information?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 6 November 2025
Stephen Kerr
I have one last question, convener. I suppose that, at the heart of all this, is putting HES right, because of the important role that HES plays and because of the excellent people who work inside the organisation and who are having to put up with all the noise around the leadership.
In a letter you sent to me yesterday, you highlight the significance of the appointment of Sir Mark Jones—and he was here last week—and that he has rightly set out his priority to ensure that HES has the trust of the public and its partners. Then you go on, in a paragraph that I am happy to share with the rest of the committee, to describe what the Scottish Government will do to support him, which I respect.
As you know, Sir Mark Jones was here last week, and he is giving one or two days a week. He is a non-executive chairman. How on earth is it realistic to expect Sir Mark—who I think that we all respect for the work that he has undertaken on all our behalf in HES—to be able to get to the root of all this without an independent investigation being launched, I think by you, cabinet secretary, to support him?
Sir Mark Jones going into the office one or two days a week will not solve this problem. It will take something far more strategic and far more significant in an independent set out of outcomes, with recommendations that he will be able to enact as the chairman. Do you not agree that, if you are not helping him in that practical way now, we are expecting an awful lot from the chairman, given his commitment, given his two days a week and given the depth of the issues that he has to deal with?
Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee
Meeting date: 6 November 2025
Stephen Kerr
Cabinet secretary, I think that it is right for the convener to have started the question session by focusing on concern for the staff of HES, but you are here this morning to account to the committee for your part in all this. Records show that previous cabinet secretaries, including Fiona Hyslop, met the HES board in person multiple times a year. Since your appointment, how many times have you personally met the board and in what format?