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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 September 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Stephen Kerr

I thank Stephen Boyle, the Auditor General for Scotland, Sharon O’Connor, from the Accounts Commission, and Tricia Meldrum and Rebecca Seidal, who are senior managers at Audit Scotland, for being with us this morning.

11:44 Meeting continued in private until 12:11.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Stephen Kerr

It looks like we are having challenges with the mute buttons this morning. Sharon, can you come in? I think that you are on mute.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Stephen Kerr

Both of you have highlighted the importance of measuring outcomes, and Stephen Boyle has mentioned milestones. I wonder whether I can get your input on one real-time example that I would like to share with you. What will you be looking at with regard to the large increase in the number of teachers in Scotland? I refer the report that you published in March, which said that 1,423 new teachers and 247 new support staff had been recruited for Covid mitigation. What assessment have you made or do you plan to make of those roles, their permanence and so on? With the recruitment of all those teachers, what are the milestones or measurements that we should be looking at with regard to outcomes?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Stephen Kerr

Please be very brief.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Stephen Kerr

I think that “could do better” is the nature of your recommendation.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Stephen Kerr

I will bring in Fergus Ewing, because his area of concern directly relates to all that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Stephen Kerr

We have a brief supplementary question from Willie Rennie, and then we will go straight to Michael Marra.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Stephen Kerr

I can let you have one more quick question on this area.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Stephen Kerr

Thank you, Bob.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2022-23

Meeting date: 3 November 2021

Stephen Kerr

Did you catch all of what Mr Greer asked, Auditor General?