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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Stephen Kerr

A point that you made in your written submission struck me emotionally as well as in other respects. It is in the part in which you mentioned pupils engaging, sustaining friendships, managing transitions, arriving on time, and feeling ready to learn. You said:

“One Headteacher told us: ‘if someone said to me “but he’s still not meeting his benchmarks”, I’d say “but he’s in class.”’”

That is a measurable thing that is perhaps not going to hit any headlines, but it will make a tangible difference in the longer term.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Stephen Kerr

Sah-ra—sorry—Say-ra. I keep wanting to say your name in the wrong way. I apologise.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Stephen Kerr

We move on to the main item, and we are delighted to welcome to Parliament those witnesses who are attending the meeting in our committee room.

We will be taking evidence as part of our Scottish attainment challenge inquiry. Our focus this week is on the work of the third sector organisations that provide services that are funded through the attainment challenge. I welcome our witnesses. Jim Wallace, the director of children and families at the Aberlour Child Care Trust, is joining us remotely. Maureen McAteer, the assistant director of Barnardo’s Scotland, is with us in the committee room. Sara—is that pronounced Sah-ra or Say-ra? I should have asked earlier.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 23 February 2022

Stephen Kerr

The tendering process is supposed to create a level playing field, but if the situation is as you have just described it, it is almost designed to create an uneven playing field, because the smaller charities cannot get—[Interruption.]

I am sorry—go on, Jim.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Stephen Kerr

I will bring in Becky Francis at this point.

09:45  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Stephen Kerr

Kaukab Stewart has a quick supplementary question, after which I will bring in Willie Rennie.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Stephen Kerr

Last but not least, we come to Fergus Ewing.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Stephen Kerr

That brings us to the end of this part of our meeting. On behalf of the committee, I thank Professor Ainscow, Professor Francis, Dr Robertson and Emma Congreve for the valuable evidence that they have given us this morning.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Stephen Kerr

You said that something is stopping local authorities from doing that, but I did not quite catch what you said. What is stopping other local authorities from implementing such initiatives that have a proven track record?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 February 2022

Stephen Kerr

Yes—I was going to ask you to come on to structure. You talk about

“rigid local authority ‘line management’”.

Are you saying that we should kind of rid ourselves of all the guidance, other than the strategic objectives, and just let the practitioners get on with it?