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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Stephen Kerr

Thank you, minister. I invite questions or comments from members. I understand that the change is driven solely by the increase in the national living wage—is that right?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Stephen Kerr

Thank you. I see that Willie Rennie wants to comment.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Stephen Kerr

Well, this is what Megan Farr said last week:

“Political situations in countries can change, and it is a risk to have sitting on the books legislation that interferes with human rights to such an extent and that could be inappropriately used at a future date by a future Government.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 2 March 2022; c 30.]

You cannot tell me that that is not going to happen, in the same way as you are telling us that we cannot answer your question.

I will bring in Fergus Ewing.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Stephen Kerr

I turn to Stephanie Callaghan for the final question.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Stephen Kerr

Our next item of business is an evidence session on the Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill at stage 1.

I welcome Shirley-Anne Somerville, Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills, and her officials from the Scottish Government, of whom we have quite a gathering today. I welcome to the committee room Sam Anson, deputy director, Covid education strategy and recovery, and Craig Robertson, interim deputy director, advanced learning and science directorate, Covid response. Joining us online are Andy Drought, deputy director for workforce and infrastructure in the learning directorate; Clare Morley, school funding, infrastructure and organisation unit head; Jerry O’Connell, school organisation team leader; Greig Walker, Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) Bill team leader; and Nico McKenzie-Juetten, a lawyer in the Scottish Government legal directorate—I apologise if I have mispronounced your name, Nico. I welcome all our witnesses and thank them for their time.

I invite the cabinet secretary to make a short opening statement. We will then move to questions.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Stephen Kerr

Very short, please.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Stephen Kerr

Did you grab the point that Willie Rennie was making? It is admirable that we are talking about this kind of stuff right now, but it is not necessary for it to be in the legislation. It can all be ready on a shelf, and we can pull it down off that shelf.

We are not talking about the situation that occurred in March 2020; we are talking about a different situation. We are talking about using the benefit of the experiences that we have all lived through to make law that is appropriate in the moment of a crisis. However, you are putting the measures that currently exist into permanency, which surely is not sensible, given the criteria of the human rights discussion that we are having.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Stephen Kerr

I think that all those words mean that it is a call to action.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Stephen Kerr

I think that I understand that. You are arguing for what I said—you feel that local authorities should have that power. I must confess that I thought that local authorities already could close schools.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 2 March 2022

Stephen Kerr

I am going to bring in Diane Stockton at this point.