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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 April 2022

Stephen Kerr

Jim, you have raised a lot of issues, and I know that my colleagues on the committee will want to come back to you on quite a few of them.

I want to refer back to what Mike Corbett said. He quoted Professor Lindsay Paterson in an article in Tes Scotland in which he said:

“Inequality also fell in England, mainly by raising the low-status students while also raising high-status students. Scotland raised low-status students by less and depressed high-status students. It would not be reasonable to describe this as better progress towards equality of outcome in Scotland than in England.”

That was, I think, part of the quote that Mike Corbett was referring to. Mike also asked the question, “Is attainment too narrow a focus?” Jim, can you respond to the quote from Lindsay Paterson and then answer the question that Mike Corbett asked? Is attainment too narrow a focus?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 April 2022

Stephen Kerr

Andrea, I am sorry to interrupt you, but on Lindsay Paterson’s comment, his comparative statement, that Scotland raised low-status students by less and depressed high-status students, does he have a point?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Attainment Challenge Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 April 2022

Stephen Kerr

I think that Ruth Maguire wanted to come in on that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Stephen Kerr

Thank you very much, Professor Muir. We move now to questions. I will start with some background questions, and I hope that we will benefit from hearing your answers. Why is the SQA broken beyond repair?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Stephen Kerr

How far back do you think the issue has existed?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Stephen Kerr

We need a genuine national discussion. That was a pretty strong endorsement of the first recommendation in the report, and I appreciate it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Stephen Kerr

Our session has gone on quite a bit longer than I promised, but our witnesses have given us a lot to think about. I thank you both for that and for your time this morning.

The public part of the meeting is now at an end.

11:47 Meeting continued in private until 12:18.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Stephen Kerr

You rightly point out that one of the concerns that has been expressed—you address it in your report—is that a new body should not be simply a rebranded SQA, given the issues that you have raised.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Stephen Kerr

However, you would suggest that it would be a bad move to simply rehire the SQA’s existing senior leadership team for the new body, as that would undermine the confidence that people might have in the new body. Is that a fair comment?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Stephen Kerr

It has been reported to me that staff at the SQA feel similarly about the senior leadership and their tin-eared approach to staff concerns.