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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 September 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Stephen Kerr

To be honest, I am still not clear about that. I hear what you say about the rest of the United Kingdom, but we have a devolution settlement and we can differ in Scotland, as is right on many occasions. Why was the specific age of 25 chosen? I am not sure that I heard an answer to that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Stephen Kerr

Good morning, and welcome to the 12th meeting in 2021 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee.

We have received apologies from Oliver Mundell, and we welcome back Meghan Gallacher, who is joining us as one of our substitute members. We have also received apologies from Willie Rennie.

The first item on our agenda is evidence on Scottish statutory instrument 2021/379. Oliver Mundell has lodged a motion to annul the instrument. The motion will be moved by Meghan Gallacher.

As is the usual practice in such circumstances, we will first have a brief evidence session with the Minister for Children and Young People, to allow members to ask questions and seek clarification.

I give a warm welcome to Clare Haughey, the Minister for Children and Young People. The minister is accompanied by Lynne McMinn, who is the director of policy, customer engagement and communications at Disclosure Scotland; Rachel McLean, who is the Disclosure (Scotland) Act 2020 implementation manager at Disclosure Scotland; and Rosie MacQueen, who is a solicitor in the Scottish Government legal directorate.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Stephen Kerr

Good morning, Denise, and welcome. Are you also a solicitor from the Scottish Government legal directorate?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Skills: Alignment with Business Needs

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Stephen Kerr

You produced the Logan review and you are an authority on the matter. The review suggested that computing science is a boring subject and that the syllabus is not exciting. You said that the teachers tend to be generalists and that there is therefore, in effect—I will use a term that might be objectionable to some people; I am willing to be corrected—a dumbing down in computing science, so that it is less about the more exciting aspects of the subject that require specialist knowledge, and is much more about the general. How do we fix that? What can we do differently?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Stephen Kerr

It is a separate issue.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Skills: Alignment with Business Needs

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Stephen Kerr

I echo that. Thank you, both. That concludes our time with you today. It has been valuable. We welcome the offers that you have made to submit additional information, and we look forward to receiving it. I wish you a pleasant day.

We will suspend the meeting to allow for a change of witnesses.

11:11 Meeting suspended.  

11:12 On resuming—  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Skills: Alignment with Business Needs

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Stephen Kerr

That would be helpful, because we want to do everything that we can to help and encourage in this area. Girls need to have role models, so you are right to focus on it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Skills: Alignment with Business Needs

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Stephen Kerr

That was a sobering comment on which to end our session, which has been excellent. All of the witnesses have brought a lot to it, and I wish that we could have had longer with you. I hope that we can have you all back again, especially to talk about entrepreneurship in this context, because that was highlighted by the Logan review and it deserves further scrutiny by us.

I thank Professor Mark Logan, Dr Natalie Coull, Karen Meechan and Nicola Taylor for joining us this morning. Your time has been very valuable from your point of view and it has been very well used from our point of view, so thank you for being with us.

The public part of the meeting is now at an end.

12:05 Meeting continued in private until 12:28.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Skills: Alignment with Business Needs

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Stephen Kerr

We can; that is much clearer. Kaukab, would you like to resume your questioning?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Skills: Alignment with Business Needs

Meeting date: 8 December 2021

Stephen Kerr

Stephanie, are you content to leave it there?