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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 November 2025
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Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

You are dancing around my question. It is a very simple question. Did you ask the Scottish Government to appoint an accountable officer?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

So, what did you do? Did you just point out that you did not have one but not say, “We need one”? Was it understood that you were saying, “We need an accountable officer because we do not have one in the business”?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

I was not referring to who the accountable officer should be; I was asking whether you asked the Scottish Government for an accountable officer because, to use Stephen Boyle’s words, the accountable officer was out of the business for “an extended period”?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

Are you saying that there is no suggestion that Katerina Brown has been suspended at any time from her duties as CEO?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

My concern—

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

How will we proceed? How will this be tackled internally? Will there be someone from outside the organisation who comes in to do it?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

To address the very many issues highlighted in what will be the section 22 report.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

Sir Mark, I appreciate that you are a month into your role and that answering these questions is quite difficult. Andrew Davis, you were a member of the board—you have been on the board of HES for a lot longer than the few weeks that Sir Mark Jones has been the chairman. What happened when the Scottish Government asked the board to conduct an investigation into these so-called “HES Corruption” volumes?

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

It is not the board’s responsibility. All right.

Freedom of information requests have shown that the HES human resources department removed an independent investigator’s recommendation that an urgent review of the organisation’s culture be carried out after staff reported a “culture of fear” and “fear of retribution”. The Auditor General has now flagged culture as a material concern, alongside the so-called “HES Corruption” volumes.

I will put these questions to Andrew Davis, who has been a director at HES for some time, because I acknowledge that it is not fair to ask Sir Mark Jones to address them. Why was the recommendation that a culture review be carried out deleted from the investigator’s report? I am quoting FOI information.

Constitution, Europe, External Affairs and Culture Committee [Draft]

Historic Environment Scotland

Meeting date: 30 October 2025

Stephen Kerr

Someone needs to come in to deal with these issues who is not currently part of the organisation and who has no particular dog in the fight, because there has been a lot of dog fighting in HES over the period of probably more than a year.