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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 10 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Stephen Kerr

It will be a small point, but this is deeply concerning. Cabinet secretary, what you are telling us in the final moments of this budget process is that you are going to cut other education and skills programmes to the tune of £110 million, but we do not know the details of that and you do not know what they are either.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Stephen Kerr

I am hearing all of that; it is your traditional defence, and I get it—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Stephen Kerr

If you are willing to share any documentation on that, that would be useful.

The £100 million that was announced yesterday in the budget is going to local authorities and is to be used exclusively or is expected to be used—we have to use the right language—to increase the salaries of non-teaching education staff. That is correct, is it not?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Stephen Kerr

It is the normal, run-of-the-mill stuff that there is an adjustment at the end of the year. That £100 million has gone to the non-teaching education staff.

I come back to the question of where the money comes from. I am genuinely seeking to understand that. One of the great defences that is deployed frequently against those of us in opposition who ask questions of Government about spending is that, if we want to spend more money in a particular area, we have to say where it will be taken from. Last week, you announced that £156 million, split between this year and next, will be used to fund the pay offer for teachers. Where did the money come from?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Stephen Kerr

Is that from generic savings?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Stephen Kerr

I am not sure that I am powerful enough to be responsible for what you decide in the Government.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Stephen Kerr

Can I just make one last point—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Stephen Kerr

But you do not have the details of where the money is going to be cut from at the moment.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget 2023-24

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Stephen Kerr

Right. We need to know what that means as you go along, cabinet secretary, because at the minute you do not know the detail.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Disabled Children and Young People (Transitions to Adulthood) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 February 2023

Stephen Kerr

So, you are saying that the bill is well intentioned but, ultimately, it will not change much in the actual experience of the young people who are the focus of our concern.