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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Stephen Kerr

I would like to say that this will be a quick question, but it probably will not be. We will try to deal with it quickly.

You have—deliberately, I think—made it your first recommendation that there should be a national discussion about the future of curriculum for excellence in the light of the OECD’s commentary on curriculum for excellence. You say:

“There was generally agreement with the OECD that CfE is still part of the direction of travel and confirmation that its underpinning philosophy was still sound.”

You go on to say that

“there was also a clear message”

about the requirement for change. You quote your consultation finding that 58 per cent agreed

“that the vision for CfE reflects what matters for the education of children and young people in Scotland.”

Will you comment on the second-top finding in your consultation? When asked to agree whether curriculum for excellence gives the best possible educational experience for our young people and enables them to realise their ambitions, only 22 per cent—one in five—felt able to agree with that statement.

When you talk about change, Professor Muir, surely we should be looking at a major overhaul of curriculum for excellence if it is failing to deliver the best possible educational experience and to help young people to realise their ambitions.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Stephen Kerr

And then take the appropriate action, yes?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Stephen Kerr

Thank you very much, Professor Muir. We move now to questions. I will start with some background questions, and I hope that we will benefit from hearing your answers. Why is the SQA broken beyond repair?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Stephen Kerr

How far back do you think the issue has existed?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Stephen Kerr

We need a genuine national discussion. That was a pretty strong endorsement of the first recommendation in the report, and I appreciate it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Education Reform

Meeting date: 23 March 2022

Stephen Kerr

Our session has gone on quite a bit longer than I promised, but our witnesses have given us a lot to think about. I thank you both for that and for your time this morning.

The public part of the meeting is now at an end.

11:47 Meeting continued in private until 12:18.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Stephen Kerr

Well, this is what Megan Farr said last week:

“Political situations in countries can change, and it is a risk to have sitting on the books legislation that interferes with human rights to such an extent and that could be inappropriately used at a future date by a future Government.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 2 March 2022; c 30.]

You cannot tell me that that is not going to happen, in the same way as you are telling us that we cannot answer your question.

I will bring in Fergus Ewing.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Stephen Kerr

I turn to Stephanie Callaghan for the final question.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Stephen Kerr

Our next item of business is an evidence session on the Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill at stage 1.

I welcome Shirley-Anne Somerville, Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills, and her officials from the Scottish Government, of whom we have quite a gathering today. I welcome to the committee room Sam Anson, deputy director, Covid education strategy and recovery, and Craig Robertson, interim deputy director, advanced learning and science directorate, Covid response. Joining us online are Andy Drought, deputy director for workforce and infrastructure in the learning directorate; Clare Morley, school funding, infrastructure and organisation unit head; Jerry O’Connell, school organisation team leader; Greig Walker, Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) Bill team leader; and Nico McKenzie-Juetten, a lawyer in the Scottish Government legal directorate—I apologise if I have mispronounced your name, Nico. I welcome all our witnesses and thank them for their time.

I invite the cabinet secretary to make a short opening statement. We will then move to questions.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 March 2022

Stephen Kerr

Thank you, minister. I invite questions or comments from members. I understand that the change is driven solely by the increase in the national living wage—is that right?