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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 July 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Agenda item 3 is an evidence session as part of our pre-budget scrutiny of the 2024-25 budget. From the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, I welcome Alexis Camble, who is a policy manager, and Mirren Kelly, who is the chief executive for local government finance. They are with us in the room. I also welcome Allan Faulds, who is a senior policy officer for the Health and Social Care Alliance Scotland—the ALLIANCE—and Heather Williams, who is the training lead for the Scottish Women’s Budget Group. They both join us remotely. I should note that Danny Boyle, who is the senior parliamentary and policy officer at BEMIS, was due to attend but is now unable to do so. He has, however, indicated that he will look to provide evidence in writing.

I refer members to papers 2 and 3 and invite each of our witnesses to make a brief opening statement, starting with Alexis Camble.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kaukab Stewart

That is absolutely fine.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kaukab Stewart

I take your point on widening our inclusion of voices that we hear. For your interest, we are trialling a model citizens participation panel. We have started that process and it is going well at the moment. We are getting good feedback from citizens directly from their communities, so that is in the offing. However, we will take note of your suggestions, which are helpful.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Allan, will you try again now, please?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kaukab Stewart

I have a quick supplementary for our COSLA representatives. I am glad that you mentioned the good practice that is going on, especially around participatory budgeting, which I know has benefited many constituencies, including my own. Can you give the committee some examples of how you capture how effective that has been and how meaningful it is for the local people who are part of that process? How do you gather feedback?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kaukab Stewart

That would be brilliant—thank you.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kaukab Stewart

We have a bit of an echo. Allan, would you try again and slow down just a little bit to see whether that makes a difference?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kaukab Stewart

The Scottish Government has said that the committee scrutiny process is key to providing accountability in the budget process. With that in mind, will the panellists comment on whether this is the most effective approach to ensure that the Scottish Government’s human rights obligations are met?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Allan, I am sorry to interrupt you there. We are getting a bit of feedback at our end. Our technicians are working to see whether we can hear your voice a little bit more clearly.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 26 September 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Thank you, Heather, and thank you to all our witnesses this morning at the 18th meeting in 2023 in session 6 of the Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee. Those of you with eagle eyes might have noticed that I was remiss in not saying that at the top of the meeting, but it is now on the record.

We move on to questions, and Maggie Chapman, the deputy convener, will kick us off.