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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 July 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Thank you very much. Before I bring in my committee members, I will kick us off.

Both from our previous panel—I do not know whether you heard them—and also in written evidence that we have received, we have heard that your review was “fundamentally flawed” in its

“premise that the legal profession in Scotland regulates itself”.

That suggestion has been totally refuted. Why do you think that your review has had that response?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Thank you. That question was just to get us going and I would now like to bring in Maggie Chapman.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Kaukab Stewart

I think that I get Maggie Chapman’s point, given the Lord President’s power over the legal professions. From the consumer’s point of view, I suppose that it is about transparency. That is the more serious point. It is important that decisions are transparent and open, that there are enough checks and balances in the system and that transparency is provided for. I think that that is the point that Maggie was trying to make.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Before we move on to our second evidence panel of the morning, I ask for any declarations of interest.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Thank you very much. We have come to the end of our evidence session, but I want to give you the opportunity to bring anything to the committee’s attention that we have not covered. This is your time.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Thank you, once again, for your evidence.

That concludes our business in public. We will consider the remaining item on our agenda in private.

11:40 Meeting continued in private until 12:07.  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Kaukab Stewart

The other question was about the Legal Services Board. Lord Ericht mentioned the different system for England and Wales. Thank you for explaining that. The evidence from Chris Kenny was that there was no evidence that independent regulation has damaged the independence of the legal profession in England and Wales. What is your view on that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Kaukab Stewart

We have time, so I am happy to bring in Oliver Mundell, from the DPLR Committee, for a question.

10:30  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Absolutely.

That concludes the committee’s questions. Do you have any final points that you wish to make?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Regulation of Legal Services (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 November 2023

Kaukab Stewart

On behalf of the committee, I thank you for giving up your time this morning. We appreciate how busy you are. Your evidence has been valuable.

I suspend the meeting briefly to allow for a change of witnesses.

10:49 Meeting suspended.  

10:55 On resuming—