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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 28 May 2025
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Kaukab Stewart

With that, we have come to the end of this session. The time has gone very quickly. This has been, in fact, the final live session for our inquiry, and I thank the minister and her officials for attending.

This morning, we heard from Baroness Helena Kennedy and, over the past few weeks, from a wide variety of stakeholders who are doing amazing work up and down the country. We have also heard from local authorities and Mears, and we have received many written testimonies.

We have also undertaken two sessions in private, when we went out into communities and spoke to asylum seekers and refugees to hear their voices directly. It was invaluable to see the person and not just talk about the issue in the abstract. We now face the challenge of putting all the evidence together and creating a report over the summer.

We asked the UK Government to take part in our inquiry, but unfortunately, no response was received from it. I would have liked to have said that our inquiry was comprehensive but, due to the lack of response from the UK Government, it is not. However, I feel that we have captured a wide range of voices across all the themes that concern asylum seekers and refugees.

On that note, I once again thank the minister and her officials for attending, and I draw to a close the public part of the meeting.

12:05 Meeting continued in private until 12:19.  

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Rachael Hamilton wants to ask a quick supplementary question.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Agenda item 2 is consideration of an affirmative instrument. I welcome to the meeting Siobhian Brown MSP, who is the Minister for Victims and Community Safety, and her supporting officials from the Scottish Government. Lisa Davidson is a senior policy officer in the courts and tribunals branch, and Leanna MacLarty is a solicitor in the legal directorate.

I refer members to paper 1 and I invite the minister to speak to the draft regulations.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Kaukab Stewart

If you have a concern, I can advise you that you have the ability to lodge a motion to annul the instrument with the chamber desk, and that the issue will then be discussed and debated in the chamber. The committee’s timetable does not allow for us to discuss the instrument again, but that route is available to you, should you wish to take it.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Thank you. Many of the findings of the asylum inquiry resonate with the evidence heard by our committee, such as people not feeling safe in the hotels, the food being inadequate, people having to rely on charities and people experiencing barriers to accessing health care, including mental health care.

The inquiry also reflects on similar inconsistent evidence provided by Mears Group and the third sector organisations. The third sector has been quite critical of Mears, while local authorities have said that they work well with the company. Mears has said that it works well with all partners associated with asylum accommodation.

Do you think that there is inconsistency between the evidence from private contractors and third sector organisations? I would also be interested to hear your views on the use of private contractors in the context.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Kaukab Stewart

You recommended that Mears should put an amount of money into providing a mental health and wellbeing service for asylum seekers and refugees. Has there been any movement on that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Baroness, you have provided powerful, compelling evidence for our inquiry. I thank you for taking the time to speak to us and giving us all that information and insight.

We will now draw this evidence session to a close. I once again thank Baroness Helena Kennedy very much for attending.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Kaukab Stewart

It would be helpful to obtain more information. The issue of free bus travel has come up time and time again. Third sector stakeholders with lived experience have all raised it in their evidence. Would Aileen Harding like to come in on that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Kaukab Stewart

On having no recourse to public funds, minister, you mentioned that asylum seekers and refugees have different statuses and are assessed differently. In response to the war in Ukraine, the Scottish Government took on the role of supersponsor. During the past few weeks, we have heard evidence from asylum seekers and refugees from countries such as Afghanistan, Eritrea and Sudan who in no way wish to see and end to the amazing work and support that Scotland has provided at Government level and public level towards the Ukrainians. However, they felt that there was a disparity between the levels of treatment of different refugees from different countries. I am therefore interested in the minister’s and Scottish Government’s view on that. Unfortunately we live in a turbulent world, so what criteria would the Scottish Government use for supersponsor status in the future?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee

Asylum Seekers in Scotland

Meeting date: 20 June 2023

Kaukab Stewart

Paul O’Kane joins us online.