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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 25 January 2026
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Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Kaukab Stewart

That is a really good question. I will not name any specific organisations, but I will give a general overview. I have visited a wide variety of organisations that are based in the heart of our communities. One reason why I will not mention names is that, unfortunately, some groups have drawn negative attention and been targeted as a result of the work that they have done in relation to anti-racism, for example, so I want to avoid that.

When I ask such organisations how we reach the people we need to reach—those who feel disenfranchised—I am reassured by the fact that the organisations are based in the heart of communities. That is one reason why STV, not the Government, is distributing the fund. It has extensive networks and is very experienced in doing such work, in creating new opportunities and in enhancing current ones.

The organisations gave me the example of outreach workers, who go into the heart of communities and communicate with people wherever the touch points are. People are bound to attend a centre of some sort, whether it is a leisure centre, a general practitioner surgery or a shopping centre. Those outreach workers have conservations in which people can express their concerns or views, and they can signpost those people to services or have difficult conversations with them. That is very skilled work. Some people might be applying for £50 from the fund, whereas others might be applying for much more. There is no prerequisite, because I want the fund to be as flexible, responsive and accessible as possible so that we can reach the very people you are talking about.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Kaukab Stewart

We have made it very clear, as I have said—thank you for the opportunity to restate it again—that the Scottish Government accepts the Supreme Court ruling. We expect everyone to comply with the law.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Kaukab Stewart

The PSED was introduced due to the desire to see tangible improvements for our society. That positive vision is clearly set out in the three underlying goals that I mentioned. Since the PSED was created as part of the Equality Act 2010, we have seen significant improvements to some groups’ experiences of equalities and rights. For example, we now have equal marriage, stronger hate crime laws, new domestic abuse laws, a more robust approach to using equality evidence and significantly more investment in equality groups.

However, as the PSED is a due regard duty, it procedural. It cannot be used to require public bodies to act in certain ways beyond what might be provided under the Scotland-specific duties which are in themselves restricted due to the “due regard” part of the duty.

It might be helpful for the committee to understand the interactions and complexities, so I will bring in Vuyi Stutley.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Kaukab Stewart

Just to help you—I did actually see that bit.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Kaukab Stewart

Apologies, convener. I was invited to come between 11 and 12, so I scheduled an extra half hour on top of that, and we are now over that as well. If there are any further questions that members feel they need answers to, the committee can—as always—write to me, and I will be happy to supply the information in writing.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Kaukab Stewart

Dissatisfaction. However, it is not within my gift and control. It is also unfortunate that, in the short time that I have had here, I have not also been able to go into regulation 11, which I was able to use for the first time. I have not had the opportunity to discuss, or been asked about, the use of regulation 12. I have also not had the opportunity to talk about our mainstreaming toolkit. There are many areas that I have not been able to cover but that come under the inquiry and the public sector equality duty.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Kaukab Stewart

Respectfully, that is not within my scope. That is for the committee to decide.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Kaukab Stewart

I am sorry, but could you repeat that?

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Kaukab Stewart

Nick Bland can kick off and then I will come in.

Equalities, Human Rights and Civil Justice Committee [Draft]

Public Sector Equality Duty

Meeting date: 13 January 2026

Kaukab Stewart

I will bring Nick Bland in to comment on that.