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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 21 December 2022
Màiri McAllan
I accept that the normal assessment could not be undertaken because of time. I accept that point. I do not accept that the falconry community could not have been heard because—as you know—when you take legislation through as a minister, you have an open door.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 21 December 2022
Màiri McAllan
The licence is about control and protecting young timber and agricultural land. It is about conserving natural habitats. That brings me back to the point that I made at the beginning, which is that, owing to the conservation status of the mountain hare, it has been viewed by Parliament and the public as not appropriate—
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 21 December 2022
Màiri McAllan
Please let me finish the point. It is not appropriate to be taking mountain hares for sporting purposes.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 21 December 2022
Màiri McAllan
I will turn to my colleague Hugh Dignon in a second. The correction that I will make to that point is to say that not all falcons could or would take a mountain hare. Only an eagle would.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 21 December 2022
Màiri McAllan
No, that is the responsibility of the falconer.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 21 December 2022
Màiri McAllan
I will pass over to NatureScot to answer on whether that is small number of licenses, given that the legislation has been in force for only a short period.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 21 December 2022
Màiri McAllan
It depends on the context. The legislation has been in force only since March 2021 and the division of licences reflects the discussion that we had about the fact that mountain hares are far more frequently taken by shooting than by birds of prey. That is just a reflection of the state of play.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 21 December 2022
Màiri McAllan
I am not sure that that is the case. I think that they can take off in other areas of the country. Obviously, a trained falconer would know a great deal more about that than I or we do, but we say that the quarry that is being pursued is the principal factor that differentiates upland falconry from other types, although there are other variables. Stan, do you want to come in?
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 21 December 2022
Màiri McAllan
That is a policy question, to be fair. We act on the basis of advice that NatureScot gives us on the conservation status of and risk to animals, but it is for us to make the decisions. I absolutely accept that there is a marked difference in the numbers that are taken by shooting mountain hare and those that are taken through falconry. However, I come back to the core point, which is that our statutory advisers, NatureScot, are telling us, in a nature emergency, that there is a conservation risk to mountain hare. We have to be prepared to take action in the face of that. That action has to be proportionate but, equally, consistent.
Again, I acknowledge the concerns of the petitioner, and everything that the committee has said, but, equally, I ask how we could justify action that restricted people’s ability to take an animal for recreational purposes by shooting but did not apply similar conditions on those who would take it by other means. It is about consistency.
As I have said, for example, throughout the current consideration of the Hunting With Dogs (Scotland) Bill, we are grappling with those questions of consistency in all the ways that people seek to hunt with dogs in the countryside. We have to have a consistent approach.
Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee
Meeting date: 21 December 2022
Màiri McAllan
I do not think that Mr Whitaker said that NatureScot has “no idea”. What he said, I think, was that such figures are not collected.