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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 September 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

Elena Whitham

Turning back to Scotland, we know that the cohort of people among whom we are seeing the most drug deaths at the moment are people of my age, who were born in the 1970s and experienced the lack of a just transition from the closure of our pits and industries. It is among those individuals that we are now seeing multiple deprivation and problematic drug use. We know that there is an issue with poly-drug use in Scotland.

16:15  

In the time that I have, I want to push you again on the issue of a public health approach versus a criminal justice approach. The UK Government’s 10-year strategy seems to have a really heavy focus on a criminal justice approach, but, as someone who has supported people facing criminal justice for their problematic drug use and with all the underlying social problems that they have, I know that a criminal justice approach would lead to those people not engaging. How do we square that circle?

You mentioned Karyn McCluskey and the violence reduction unit, but I would point out that, instead of solely criminalising people, the policing involved in that initiative sought to deter violence with, for example, amnesties for knife possession. Can I push you a little bit more on that?

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

Elena Whitham

My questions come from the fact that I am the convener of the Social Justice and Social Security Committee and a former Women’s Aid worker and homelessness worker who spent a lot of time supporting people—[Inaudible.]—drug misuse.

My first question is around poverty, which you were just speaking about. We know that there are very strong links between poverty, deprivation, adverse childhood experiences, trauma and drug deaths, especially here in Scotland. We know that it is a very complex and multifaceted issue to address. Would you agree with the opinion that Scotland’s higher rate of drug deaths reflects historical patterns resulting from economic policies of the 1980s, which we can also see in the north-east of England? Do you have views on which particular anti-poverty programmes, such as the Scottish Government’s new child payment, will have the greatest impact on reducing drug harms?

Criminal Justice Committee, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, and Social Justice and Social Security Committee (Joint Meeting)

Reducing Drug Deaths in Scotland and Tackling Problem Drug Use

Meeting date: 1 February 2022

Elena Whitham

I do not think that anybody is saying that that is a bad thing. We would all recognise that a basket of measures is needed.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Elena Whitham

Thank you. Minister, do you have anything further to add?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Elena Whitham

I invite the committee to agree that the clerks and I will produce a short, factual report of the committee’s decision and arrange to have it published as soon as possible. Are we agreed on that?

Members indicated agreement.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Elena Whitham

I thank the minister and his officials for attending today.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Elena Whitham

Item 6 is consideration of a negative SSI. Members are invited to consider the regulations, the background to which is outlined in paper 4.

I see no indication that members have any comments. Is the committee content to note the regulations?

Members indicated agreement.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Elena Whitham

That concludes the meeting. At our next meeting on 3 February, we will take evidence on refugees and asylum as part of our work to explore the breadth of the committee’s remit and establish key priorities for the session. I look forward to that.

Meeting closed at 11:18.  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Elena Whitham

Thank you very much for that, Janet. It was very helpful. Minister—do you have anything to add? I know that Natalie Don would like to come back in with another question.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 27 January 2022

Elena Whitham

Thank you, minister. Pam Duncan-Glancy will explore some of the issues in theme 2.