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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 July 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Elena Whitham

That concludes our public agenda items for today.

09:00 Meeting continued in private until 11:36.  

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 30 June 2022

Elena Whitham

Good morning and welcome to the 21st meeting in 2022 of the Social Justice and Social Security Committee. This is our final meeting before the parliamentary recess. We have received apologies from Foysol Choudhury.

Our first item of business is a decision on taking item 2, consideration of our draft report on our low income and debt inquiry, and item 3, consideration of our work programme, in private. Are we agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Low Income and Debt Inquiry

Meeting date: 23 June 2022

Elena Whitham

Yes, that would be helpful. Do you have any further questions, Pam?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 23 June 2022

Elena Whitham

Our next item of business is an evidence session on the resource spending review. I welcome to the meeting Shona Robison, the Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice, Housing and Local Government, and Kate Forbes, the Cabinet Secretary for Finance and the Economy. I welcome the cabinet secretaries’ officials: we are joined in person by Gemma Dalton, who is the public spending team leader, and Kevin Stevens, who is the head of strategic and programme finance. Good morning. Thanks for coming in early to join us today—that is fantastic. We are joined remotely by Julie Humphreys, who is the deputy director for tackling child poverty and financial wellbeing, Sarah O’Donnell, who is the strategic lead for finance and governance, and Joanne Farrow, who is the deputy director of employability.

I will hand over to the cabinet secretaries to make their opening statements. Shona Robison, do you want to go first?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 23 June 2022

Elena Whitham

Thank you, and welcome to you both. The committee has quite a lot of questions to get through and we have a specific amount of time allotted to that, so if members and cabinet secretaries could keep their questions and answers concise that would be fantastic. I will kick off.

The Cabinet Secretary for Social Justice, Housing and Local Government has already alluded to this. Yesterday, the Minister for Public Finance, Planning and Community Wealth mentioned the figure of around £3 billion that is being deployed in this financial year across the range of supports that are helping to mitigate the impacts of the cost of living increases that we are seeing across the whole of the UK. Could the cabinet secretaries expand on that for us and outline to the committee how the Scottish Government believes that that aligns with the priorities that are set out in the resource spending review? It would be very helpful if they could specifically mention the areas that the committee is interested in.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 23 June 2022

Elena Whitham

Before we move on to the impact of flat-cash allocations on child poverty, I want to stick briefly with the conversation about demand-led budgets, but with regard to the uptake of benefits. Many UK Government benefits are not taken up, which obviously has an impact on the envelope of resources that come to us. How can we ensure that we prioritise at both Government levels? The Scottish Government needs to ensure that people take up the benefits that we already provide here, but how can we work with the UK Government to ensure that it has a campaign so that people recognise what they are entitled to and so that uptake increases? That will then help to passport people on to benefits here and will also potentially increase the money that we have available in Scotland for that.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 23 June 2022

Elena Whitham

Is that helpful for you, Emma?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 23 June 2022

Elena Whitham

We move to questions from Pam Duncan-Glancy, who joins us remotely, then from Jeremy Balfour, who is in the room.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Resource Spending Review

Meeting date: 23 June 2022

Elena Whitham

Paul McLennan, who joins us online, will ask the final questions in the session.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Low Income and Debt Inquiry

Meeting date: 23 June 2022

Elena Whitham

We will move on to questions on debt and mental health.